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Granite Guru
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JANA 54™ Or how to install 50 gears in your HP44
JANA 54™ kit Installs Dana 50 gears into Dana 44 High Pinion housings, making them 44% stronger. As seen in Crawl Magazine, This Dana 50/44 hybrid kit comes complete with all adapter bearings, standard bearings, seals, shims, spacers & instructions, to install a Dana 50 gear set with a Dana 44 carrier 3.73 & down (or Posi) into the D44 HP diff housing. Gear ratios available: 4.11, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, & 5.38. Jana 3/8" thick cover girdles also available.
If you can install ring & pinions & use a grinder you can install this strength improving kit. If you are running alloy axles then you need this kit as the Ring & Pinion is now the weak link in your drive-train. This kit allows you to upgrade to 31, 32, 33 or 35 spline axles without having the limited strength of the 44 ring and pinion, yet not lose any ground clearance. Questions please email us or call 8-5 Pacific time M-F 360-598-2773 carl@jantzengineering.com KITS RUN approx. $ 300.00 Pictured is a Dana 50 4.11 gear set installed on a 35 spline ARB air locker in a 44 HP housing. If you found this thread you'll also be interested in our full product line of Differential Hybrids; HOW TO INSTALL: Load Bolts into Stock housings:/forum/axles-tires-wheels/1059807-load-bolts-how-install-yourself.html D80s into D70s, Jana 87: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=958266 D70s into D60s, Jana 76:http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=946421 New 8.9" JKs into 44s Jana K4:http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=957491 Jana Cover Girdles: Holding it all together, http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=958047
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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How its Done
1st, we have to get the larger gear in the housing. Since the D50 ring gear is 1/2" larger in diameter the than the D44 ring gear there needs to be 1/4" clearance around the D44 ring gear in the housing to clear the D50 gear, most 44 housings are cast with approximately 3/16" clearance, so only very small amount of grinding in a few spots is necessary.
2nd, we have to get the pinion in, and it needs to go roughly 1/4" farther out from the center line line of the ring gear, To do this an adapter pinion head bearing is used setting the pinion depth deeper into the bore. (notice step in upper left bearing race) this then moves the tail bearing, seal & yoke farther out, but luckily there is still room to get the parts in with the proper spacers, shims and adapter rings. A fair amount of grinding is done to clear the oil slinger, and place the adapter bearing into the housing. 3rd, The 50 Ring & Pinion being larger and thicker needs a carrier that moves the ring gear away from the pinion. To do this a D44 3.73 & down numerically carrier is used but it still is to close so a narrowed bearing is used to move it a bit more to accomplish this without any loss in bearing load carrying capacity. The carrier is also drilled to accept the larger D50 ring gear bolts. The Kit pictured here comes with all you need to start with a bare housing and install a D50 gear set & a 44 carrier. We start with a master overhaul kit and then add the required adapter bearings, spacers, shims etc to get the job done.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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JANA 54™ cutaway view
Here is a cut-away view showing the beveled oil slinger, housing clearance grinding and step bearing installed with related pinion parts.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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Cost Benefit Analysis
1st the Benefits,
Your Ring & Pinion is 44% stronger! with no loss of ground clearance. Dana rates the 44 @ 3460 Ft-lbs maximum momentary output torque. Dana rates the 50 @ 5000 Ft-lbs maximum momentary output torque. That's more than 1500 ft-lb increase in capacity. Also if you have alloy axles, then your current week link is the most difficult and expensive part to repair ie, the ring & pinion. Lets not have that. 2nd the Cost, The net cost is only $150 bucks, and a few more hours labor. If you compare the cost of a Dana 50 gear set to the cost of a Dana 44R gear set , you will find they are within few bucks of each other. Now if your gonna do this right then you need a new installation and bearing kit as well, this is gonna set ya back about $150. Your gonna buy a posi/ locker anyway so that doesn't even figure in. The cost of a Jana 54 kit is only $300* (most kits, subject to change). Thus net cost around $150. Folks, this is a No brainer *May also purchase, Axle tube seals, HD yokes, & Jana cover girdle (more on this later)
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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Rounding up parts
We of course can sell you everything necessary for this hybrid conversion. But there are also plenty of wrecking yard finds for the cost conscious.
The question I get the most is " What carrier do I need to find to work with this Hybrid kit?" The answer is any 44 carrier/posi/locker that is made for 3.73 & down numerically gears. (sometimes referred to as a High speed carrier). The next question I get is "I already have a D44 3.92 & up carrier/posi/locker, can it be made to fit?" Unfortunately the answer is typically no. However If you have a ARB air locker we can supply you with a new case 1/2 and air cap assembly so you can put your internals in it. There are also the new Jeep Rubicon & JK OEM factory air lockers that we can make to fit with minimal machine work.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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basic Install procedure
To begin with I would not attempt this unless you have set up at least 4 ring & pinions. Its not your start on Friday night and go wheeling Saturday type of job. Detailed Instructions come with the kit, here is the basic procedure:
CHECK LIST (1) Grinding the housing for ring gear clearance. a. Use the D50 ring gear by itself and try to get it in the housing. Grind slightly on the bottom but mostly on the top until it goes in easily, then install just the D50 ring gear on the D44 carrier with just 4 bolts, and verify you can install it, grind as necessary. ( ring gear bolt holes need to be drilled to D50 bolt size.) b. Use dummy bearings and or carrier while grinding. (2) Grind the carrier bearing snout on ring gear side a. Grind about 1/16” off of the carrier bearing snout on the ring gear side b. Install the thin bearing on the ring gear side with no shims and install the gear on the carrier and place in the housing, check fit. (3) Pinion Bearing adapter Install a. Die grind pinion bearing shoulder for step clearance. b. Grind housing for pinion slinger clearance. NOTE: BIG TIME CLEAN UP NOW! (4) Partial pinion install a. Install Pinion with a starting depth shim pack of .040” (5) Carrier Install & bearing preloads a. Install with a starting shim pack of .040” under the thin ring gear side bearing (6) Gear Pattern a. Set up the ring and pinion (7) Pinion Preloading a. Add .060” of preload shims to start. b. Add and subtract shims until torque to rotate pinion is between 14-19 in-lbs. (8) Pinion seal a. Remove yoke b. Install seal c. Verify and or Polish seal surface of yoke and install. d. Install new pinion nut, torque to 200-225 FT-lbs (9) Ring Gear and carrier Final install a. Install as normal b. If not using Jana cover girdle, do yourself a favor and at least bottom tap carrier cap bolt holes and use ¼” longer Grade 8 bolts torqued to 80 FT-lbs. (10) Cover Install a. Install standard cover or follow instructions in Jana Cover Girdle kit. b. Add oil. I recommend Amsoil severe gear 75W140 for general use, and Severe gear 250 for rock crawling and desert racing. (11) Break in Follow standard break in procedures, 500 miles before hard use. Yeah, like that ever happens. (12) Drive it like your King of the Hill. Pictures shown are the areas ground for clearance.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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Another FAQ
Another question I get frequently is: "What can you do for my low pinion 44?" Well Ive got the solution for that as well, please stay tuned....This just in....... here is the answer for your old school 44. http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...1#post12535395
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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low pinion 44 solutions
Just talked with my Yoke supplier, they will be shipping parts tomorrow, (course that was said last week) but now parts are actually through QA and on the way here so as soon as I do a final verification assembly, with production run parts, I will start the JANA k4™ thread. Pricing will be in the $300-350 range for the kit. then you need a gear set and a 3.73 & down carrier/posi/locker.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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jk gear strength
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http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=317
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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fit
As long as it takes a standard D44 LP ring & pinion then this will work. (Unless there is something different about a TJLp44 I don't know about.)
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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Zeus of the Sluice
Join Date: Jul 2003
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So to post what you and i talked about today for those of us rounding up parts when it comes to an air locker or detroit
for 35 spline in the arb a RD147 would be the choice. then some milling of the carrier would be necessary.
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As for the Detroit, best I've seen is 33 spline (correct me if I'm wrong) For those wanting a spool we can Install 35 spline side gears into an open Dana 50 carrier and weld it up and this will work in the Jana 54 or Jana K4.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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Inexpensive 35 spline outers
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Start with a D50 TTB front end, these are cheap at pull a-parts. Whack off the outers and adapt them to your tubes. This will give you 35 spline inners, D60 U-joints and a 30 spline outer axle (fusible link). Our process bores out the TTB square housing ends and adds and adapter donut (sleave) then its ready to weld onto your axle tubes. If you can't find a local machinist to do it well be glad to do it for you. I'm figuring around $200 - $300.
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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JANA 54™ in a nutshell
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$225 for the Girdle $45 (3) qt. Severe gear 250 $230 Ring & pinions $25 pair of inner axle seals 30 & 33 spline $20 for 35 spline $75 carrier narrow set up bearing $75 Pinion head adapter set up bearing Note: Prices subject to change. Note: must use 3.73 & down carrier (drill ring gear bolt holes to 7/16") Note: ARBs new version 2 piece case will require machine work, I can supply new unit machined for application with 30, 33, or 35 spline $900. or machine yours for $100.00 For a PDF with detailed instructions please email me, carl@jantzengineering.com
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Carl Jantz A.S.,B.S.,M.E. & S.O.H.Ks. SUPER JP ,52 Flat Fender, 25" stretch, JANA 76's, 300M, ARBS, 5.89's, 47s, NV4500, PTO, 4:1, HYD, TIRELOC, and Patented the Yukon Superjoint. http://jantzengineering.com/ |
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lathe set up
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Then Bolt you your spindle onto the outer knuckle attached to the inner Knuckle, chuck spindle with assembly in lathe, rotate carefully till inside walls of rectangular housing are centered, tack weld a strap between the knuckles to hold the inner one from flopping, bore to desired size, when finished grind off tack welds. I suggest having new ball joints installed or have very good used ones as this is going to set your concentricity to whatever condition the ball joints are in.
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