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dawgfan · 11-09-2011, 03:41 PM

I was the 1st to purchase a Strongbox 1356/205 Doubler from Behemoth(early July), with 2 others that I know of right after me. We were all 3 to give a review of the boxes' performance and of the overall transaction. So here is my review:

1st off, I'm not one to bash a new vendor, I realize the speedbumps and unseen hold-ups that go with a new business. I would never try to add to that by harming this guy's name or rep. I wish Jacob the best of luck and hope he gets his crap together and is successful. But I also think this info should be public; there has not been sufficient effort on his part to hold up his end of the bargain.

It is now been almost 4 months, no box, no pics of a box, and no refund. There has been 1 set back after another, and apparently (without us knowing it) we purchased a product that was still in the design phase from a company who didn't even have the equipment to produce it. The communication has been aweful, with most updates only coming after we start asking about our box that hasn't shipped yet. Each update is only a generic email sent to all 3 of us listing a new problem and a "new expected ship date". After that date passes, we start calling/emailing and he usually gets back to 1 of us within the next day or so with another, later ship date. Our requests for a refund are ignored. My demands for pics of a completed box are refused.

We were told two weeks ago the boxes would be shipped "no later" than Nov 5th and we'd also get $200 back. Then on the 5th, we were told another week or so, and a refund "if possible as soon as he can"(his words). No explanation, no apology, just a breif message that he couldn't get to the shop for a week. Unacceptable...

I told him in late August that if it didn't ship by Sept, I wanted a refund. I have asked several times since then; I have yet to see a dime!

This is how it stands now, If/when something changes, I will update. I doubt there is much I can do as far as the credit card goes since have waited this long, but at least maybe this will stop someone else from the same mistake.

I truely believe Jacob had the best intentions, but he obviously got in over his head and now can't hold up his end of the bargain.

Sorry Jacob, enough is enough, I want my $$ back now!

dawgfan · 11-09-2011, 05:04 PM

within a few minutes of posting this, I recieved a message from Jacob containing some pics of the individual pieces of the Strongbox. He says it will be assembled and shipped tomorrow. No mention of the refund i asked for.... again! I will update....

Thumper168 · 11-09-2011, 06:46 PM

Sorry but thats almost in line for a visit to someones house. I hate bullshitters!!

spidr · 11-09-2011, 06:51 PM

I remember when they first started posting in the chevy section. Thought they had just gone away though. Have they built a single doubler ever?

GIJoe4500 · 11-09-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spidr

I remember when they first started posting in the chevy section. Thought they had just gone away though. Have they built a single doubler ever?

Dawgfan, myself, and 1 other were suppose to get his first 3 doublers built, with the agreement that we'd didn't have to pay the core charge in exchange for testing and giving a review on his company and product. When we ordered the doublers, we were told that there was going to be a 3 week lead time, so he could have the stub shafts splined and heat treated. Completely understandable.

Shortly after that, we were told that he was redesigning the doubler, because he found a better way to do it. Each and every excuse I've heard has either been him blaming the delays on someone part of the work was being sub'd out to, or a "redesign" he came up with.

There has yet to be a single doubler built and shipped out from him.

78-79FordMan · 11-09-2011, 07:57 PM

has any of ya talked to him in person i have number some where . i am sure glad i didn't send the money to be the first one because he told me the first person would get the one he had posted pics of done. i would have done drove to his house and well it would be good for the guy lets say.

buchanan454 · 11-09-2011, 08:01 PM

Did this guy even test this shit himself. Which state dose this dude live in??

78-79FordMan · 11-09-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by buchanan454

Did this guy even test this shit himself. Which state dose this dude live in??

nope

Jacob Clark 50 Rison Drive Leitchfield, KY 42754
http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4T...ed=0CBMQ8gEwAA

270 230 7015

this dude ain't to far from where i go. hell i would have for sure done put a boot up his ass.

spidr · 11-09-2011, 08:14 PM

There's only been one "prototype" picture I've ever seen, and even he claimed it didnt work. Seemed weird that he had posts in multiple forums asking for suggestions for products, the thread in Gen 4x4 said he was waiting on a 208, and never even had a 231. Seems like those are the easiest to start with?
I would be interested to hear if a single one ever made it into a truck.

trkklr77 · 11-09-2011, 08:50 PM

im not.

shit seemed shady to begin with.

i dont like the idea of the alum units to start with + all his pics were cluterd up with garbage in the back ground. the units didnt even look like he had botherd to wash and clean them before modding.

posting the non vendor forums repeatedly.
pretty shitty web site.

i am in all honestly not surprized he wound up in here.

Thumper168 · 11-10-2011, 06:37 AM

Ill throw in a few bucks for gas money if anyone needs help getting to his house

dawgfan · 11-10-2011, 03:05 PM

I'm not trying to get a lynch mob after the guy. Just putting it all out for everyone to see so no more $$ is sent until this is resolved. How he handles it from this point on should speak for his character. Either he bends over backwards to make up for it and prove himself, or he doesn't and he will probably be out of business.
I truely believe this was more a case of him biting off more than he could chew, rather than someone intentionally trying to screw us. I just can't see someone intentionally detroying their name, rep, and future business for a couple grand; not saying it never happens, but I don't think this is the case. He has said we 3 will all get a StrongBox and a refund for our trouble. At this point, I'd rather have the refund and be finished with it, but we will see what happens.
As of now, I have no refund, no tracking#, and no word from Jacob that it is even assembled.

78Scronco · 11-12-2011, 08:31 AM

Jacob-it's time to make a move here. We need our money back and or some kind of explanation from you. I agree with dawgfan that you maybe just got in over your head. But just come clean if that's the case........

dawgfan · 11-13-2011, 10:40 AM

I recieved a message from Jacob last night that he was boxing up my Strongbox and it would ship Monday. He also sent me a $200 refund. So it looks like things are coming together, I will keep updating...

78Scronco · 11-13-2011, 05:52 PM

Thanks-no new info from him this week...... Getting frustrated quickly.

Thumper168 · 11-13-2011, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I recieved a message from Jacob last night that he was boxing up my Strongbox and it would ship Monday. He also sent me a $200 refund. So it looks like things are coming together, I will keep updating...

Thats great news if it happens,

dawgfan · 11-15-2011, 04:53 PM

I recieved another message from Jacob with my tracking # and an explanation for everything. Too long to go into, but I'll update again when the box arrives.

Dook · 11-16-2011, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I recieved another message from Jacob with my tracking # and an explanation for everything. Too long to go into, but I'll update again when the box arrives.

copy and paste works wonders

78Scronco · 11-17-2011, 08:04 AM

Let us know when and IF you get anything. No word from Jacob in 3 weeks since he last said he would be sending money back........

dawgfan · 11-18-2011, 03:01 PM

I recieved my Strongbox yesterday, and a partial refund a few days before that. The machine work looks good. I'll post more info this weekend once I've had a chance to spend some time with it.

78Scronco · 11-19-2011, 09:15 PM

lets see some pictures and more info. Jacob finally emailed me and said he'd send my money back when he had more new orders. ha

kpj · 11-28-2011, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I recieved my Strongbox yesterday, and a partial refund a few days before that. The machine work looks good. I'll post more info this weekend once I've had a chance to spend some time with it.

I am hoping the lack of pictures is because you haven't had a chance to take some and not because there were issues with the box???

dawgfan · 11-28-2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpj

I am hoping the lack of pictures is because you haven't had a chance to take some and not because there were issues with the box???

Yes, just been out of town for the holidays. If someone wants to send me their email, I'll send pics (I can't post). There was an issue the the adapter, but Jacob is sending me a new one.

kpj · 11-28-2011, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Yes, just been out of town for the holidays. If someone wants to send me their email, I'll send pics (I can't post). There was an issue the the adapter, but Jacob is sending me a new one.

Send them to me at jeepinjunkAThotmail.com and I'll post them up.

Ken

79F150 · 11-30-2011, 04:51 PM

Well there is still 2 boxes that needs to be sent to people. I am glad to see that Dawgfan got his box and Behemoth is trying to make right. However it would be nice to see the others getting there boxes and some correspondence??? I hope this is not turning into selling boxes to pay for others to be built.

11-09-2011, 03:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	Behemoth Drivetrain I was the 1st to purchase a Strongbox 1356/205 Doubler from Behemoth(early July), with 2 others that I know of right after me. We were all 3 to give a review of the boxes' performance and of the overall transaction. So here is my review: 1st off, I'm not one to bash a new vendor, I realize the speedbumps and unseen hold-ups that go with a new business. I would never try to add to that by harming this guy's name or rep. I wish Jacob the best of luck and hope he gets his crap together and is successful. But I also think this info should be public; there has not been sufficient effort on his part to hold up his end of the bargain. It is now been almost 4 months, no box, no pics of a box, and no refund. There has been 1 set back after another, and apparently (without us knowing it) we purchased a product that was still in the design phase from a company who didn't even have the equipment to produce it. The communication has been aweful, with most updates only coming after we start asking about our box that hasn't shipped yet. Each update is only a generic email sent to all 3 of us listing a new problem and a "new expected ship date". After that date passes, we start calling/emailing and he usually gets back to 1 of us within the next day or so with another, later ship date. Our requests for a refund are ignored. My demands for pics of a completed box are refused. We were told two weeks ago the boxes would be shipped "no later" than Nov 5th and we'd also get $200 back. Then on the 5th, we were told another week or so, and a refund "if possible as soon as he can"(his words). No explanation, no apology, just a breif message that he couldn't get to the shop for a week. Unacceptable... I told him in late August that if it didn't ship by Sept, I wanted a refund. I have asked several times since then; I have yet to see a dime! This is how it stands now, If/when something changes, I will update. I doubt there is much I can do as far as the credit card goes since have waited this long, but at least maybe this will stop someone else from the same mistake. I truely believe Jacob had the best intentions, but he obviously got in over his head and now can't hold up his end of the bargain. Sorry Jacob, enough is enough, I want my $$ back now!

11-09-2011, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
spidr Karnage Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55444 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 7,949	I remember when they first started posting in the chevy section. Thought they had just gone away though. Have they built a single doubler ever? __________________ Thanks to BAILEIGH INDUSTRIAL Krush RT IFS/IRS Thanks to Epic Polymer Fox Kustoms Inc Pathmaker Productions[/color] https://www.facebook.com/KrushRacing

11-09-2011, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
buchanan454 hammer down Join Date: Nov 2009 Member # 146169 Posts: 212	Did this guy even test this shit himself. Which state dose this dude live in?? __________________ mud flat militia

11-09-2011, 08:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
spidr Karnage Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55444 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 7,949	There's only been one "prototype" picture I've ever seen, and even he claimed it didnt work. Seemed weird that he had posts in multiple forums asking for suggestions for products, the thread in Gen 4x4 said he was waiting on a 208, and never even had a 231. Seems like those are the easiest to start with? I would be interested to hear if a single one ever made it into a truck. __________________ Thanks to BAILEIGH INDUSTRIAL Krush RT IFS/IRS Thanks to Epic Polymer Fox Kustoms Inc Pathmaker Productions[/color] https://www.facebook.com/KrushRacing

11-09-2011, 08:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
trkklr77 skullfuckery Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29016 Location: galt ca, because i wanted my own backyard Posts: 15,206	im not. shit seemed shady to begin with. i dont like the idea of the alum units to start with + all his pics were cluterd up with garbage in the back ground. the units didnt even look like he had botherd to wash and clean them before modding. posting the non vendor forums repeatedly. pretty shitty web site. i am in all honestly not surprized he wound up in here. __________________ Impeach or revolt, which will it be? buy my quad http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/vehic...00-2500-a.html I WILL TRADE FOR A ROAD WORTHY 55-57 or 71-87 CHEVY 2WD PICK UP Last edited by trkklr77; 11-09-2011 at 08:51 PM.

11-09-2011, 05:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	within a few minutes of posting this, I recieved a message from Jacob containing some pics of the individual pieces of the Strongbox. He says it will be assembled and shipped tomorrow. No mention of the refund i asked for.... again! I will update....

11-09-2011, 06:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Thumper168 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Member # 176919 Location: N.E. Texas Posts: 62	Sorry but thats almost in line for a visit to someones house. I hate bullshitters!!

11-09-2011, 07:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
78-79FordMan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Member # 158981 Location: Gillham,Ar. Posts: 263	has any of ya talked to him in person i have number some where . i am sure glad i didn't send the money to be the first one because he told me the first person would get the one he had posted pics of done. i would have done drove to his house and well it would be good for the guy lets say.

11-10-2011, 06:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
Thumper168 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Member # 176919 Location: N.E. Texas Posts: 62	Ill throw in a few bucks for gas money if anyone needs help getting to his house

11-10-2011, 03:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	I'm not trying to get a lynch mob after the guy. Just putting it all out for everyone to see so no more $$ is sent until this is resolved. How he handles it from this point on should speak for his character. Either he bends over backwards to make up for it and prove himself, or he doesn't and he will probably be out of business. I truely believe this was more a case of him biting off more than he could chew, rather than someone intentionally trying to screw us. I just can't see someone intentionally detroying their name, rep, and future business for a couple grand; not saying it never happens, but I don't think this is the case. He has said we 3 will all get a StrongBox and a refund for our trouble. At this point, I'd rather have the refund and be finished with it, but we will see what happens. As of now, I have no refund, no tracking#, and no word from Jacob that it is even assembled.

11-12-2011, 08:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
78Scronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67172 Location: IL Posts: 110	Jacob-it's time to make a move here. We need our money back and or some kind of explanation from you. I agree with dawgfan that you maybe just got in over your head. But just come clean if that's the case........

11-13-2011, 10:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	I recieved a message from Jacob last night that he was boxing up my Strongbox and it would ship Monday. He also sent me a $200 refund. So it looks like things are coming together, I will keep updating...

11-13-2011, 05:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
78Scronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67172 Location: IL Posts: 110	Thanks-no new info from him this week...... Getting frustrated quickly.

11-15-2011, 04:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	I recieved another message from Jacob with my tracking # and an explanation for everything. Too long to go into, but I'll update again when the box arrives.

11-17-2011, 08:04 AM	#19 (permalink)
78Scronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67172 Location: IL Posts: 110	Let us know when and IF you get anything. No word from Jacob in 3 weeks since he last said he would be sending money back........

11-18-2011, 03:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
dawgfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Member # 107406 Posts: 442	I recieved my Strongbox yesterday, and a partial refund a few days before that. The machine work looks good. I'll post more info this weekend once I've had a chance to spend some time with it.

11-19-2011, 09:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
78Scronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67172 Location: IL Posts: 110	lets see some pictures and more info. Jacob finally emailed me and said he'd send my money back when he had more new orders. ha

11-30-2011, 04:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
79F150 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 43168 Posts: 54	Well there is still 2 boxes that needs to be sent to people. I am glad to see that Dawgfan got his box and Behemoth is trying to make right. However it would be nice to see the others getting there boxes and some correspondence??? I hope this is not turning into selling boxes to pay for others to be built. __________________ 79F150 with some stuff done to it..

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