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Old 08-08-2012, 03:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Show me a cracked 14 Bolt center section

Not bent tubes.
Not fucked up spindles
Not teeth knocked off the r&p

I want to see a photo of a crack in the cast center section.

Lots of huge trusses have been added to 14 bolts, including the war wagon, but why? Just for fun? Just in case?

Or is it just because everybody saw a broken 10 bolt?

The K20 is already on its way to being a fat bitch, it certainly doesn't need any extra unsprung weight.

And it will take Sam a year to figure out how he wants to do it, and we don't have time for that shit right now.

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd say the truss is mainly for the tubes
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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And keep the flex down I would think...
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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lemme see if i can link a pic from facebook onto here....
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The trusses are being added to keep the tubes straight. Cracking the center section should be the least of your worries.
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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it happens, usualy around the tube section of the housing.
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Link mounts would be another reason.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Very old cell phone Pics.

Cracked plug welds, end result spun pass side tube.





Had more, lost them as I did that 8 years ago.

No truss over the housing done on a sprung over Jeep with 39's and a tired 4.0.

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Old 08-08-2012, 05:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sam is slow as shit at fab stuff, we don't have time for this unless it really is a problem.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have seen 3 broken where the tubes go into the cast portion. They were all the older 3/8" thick center, not the newer ribbed, 3/4" thick one.

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Friend of mine had some rocks bash his in and crack it.
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Cause?
cross pin broke, evidently...
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The truss (in my opinion) is for upper link mounts and to keep the tubes from bending.

And what I have is NOT enough.
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I have seen 3 broken where the tubes go into the cast portion. They were all the older 3/8" thick center, not the newer ribbed, 3/4" thick one.
Ditto. I've seen this exact thing, on this older version, but the pics went with my old PC, or I'd post.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:33 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Not bent tubes.
Not fucked up spindles
Not teeth knocked off the r&p

I want to see a photo of a crack in the cast center section.

Lots of huge trusses have been added to 14 bolts, including the war wagon, but why? Just for fun? Just in case?

Or is it just because everybody saw a broken 10 bolt?

The K20 is already on its way to being a fat bitch, it certainly doesn't need any extra unsprung weight.

And it will take Sam a year to figure out how he wants to do it, and we don't have time for that shit right now.

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.
You sound like the 14b is a role model of yours that someone talked shit on.

But, the reason for a truss is to keep the tubes from breaking the cast center after a jump or hard drop from an obstacle.
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If your guy is slow, get an Artec truss and call it done.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:44 PM   #19 (permalink)
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You sound like the 14b is a role model of yours that someone talked shit on...
I don't really care, and even Sam would have gone with a Jana if it had been available at the time. The real problem is time & weight. Sam is slow, and the truck is already fat. Sam is also stubborn as a mule, and unlikely to buy a brace, he will want to spend a year making his own.
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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For the guys spinning the tubes in the housing...

Of the 14 bolts in my inventory currently, I've got maybe one with what I'd consider "well executed" plug welds. The rest have somewhat incomplete plug welds. Are the ones with "good" factory plug welds any less prone to spinning the tubes in the housing? Or, are the plug welds sometimes just insufficient for the loads we induce in a 4 wheeling application?
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The truss (in my opinion) is for upper link mounts and to keep the tubes from bending.

And what I have is NOT enough.
Are you actually having issues bending the housing, or just concerned about what COULD happen? I'm guessing that if you really had a problem, your rear axle would have a truss much like your front axle...
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I can add to this. This is with a BTF truss. My next one will be a artec for sure!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-12-2012, 07:32 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I can add to this. This is with a BTF truss. My next one will be a artec for sure!!!!!!!!
Okay, a housing break on a trussed axle---you have our attention. Quick backstory available on the incident? Judging from the pinion yoke, I'm guessing a fair degree of violence was involved.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:52 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Are you actually having issues bending the housing, or just concerned about what COULD happen? I'm guessing that if you really had a problem, your rear axle would have a truss much like your front axle...
I believe all of the above. I know that because of what the truck can do I need a truss. Also because my front was bent ~3/8" on the long tube. The rear never got a truss because I had no idea what I was doing at the time.

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Okay, a housing break on a trussed axle---you have our attention. Quick backstory available on the incident? Judging from the pinion yoke, I'm guessing a fair degree of violence was involved.
Maybe also show us what's going on with that lower mount. Just doesn't look right in the pic. Did a link mount let go? Maybe at a higher speed? Also very interested in the broken 14 bolt.
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