Show me a cracked 14 Bolt center section - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Twinturbo496 · 08-08-2012, 03:31 PM

Not bent tubes.
Not fucked up spindles
Not teeth knocked off the r&p

I want to see a photo of a crack in the cast center section.

Lots of huge trusses have been added to 14 bolts, including the war wagon, but why? Just for fun? Just in case?

Or is it just because everybody saw a broken 10 bolt?

The K20 is already on its way to being a fat bitch, it certainly doesn't need any extra unsprung weight.

And it will take Sam a year to figure out how he wants to do it, and we don't have time for that shit right now.

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.

78stepsideUAK10 · 08-08-2012, 03:48 PM

I'd say the truss is mainly for the tubes

HITMONEY · 08-08-2012, 03:51 PM

And keep the flex down I would think...

Grumpy_old_fart · 08-08-2012, 04:00 PM

lemme see if i can link a pic from facebook onto here....

hurleygo3 · 08-08-2012, 04:01 PM

The trusses are being added to keep the tubes straight. Cracking the center section should be the least of your worries.

78stepsideUAK10 · 08-08-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy_old_fart

lemme see if i can link a pic from facebook onto here....

trkklr77 · 08-08-2012, 04:22 PM

it happens, usualy around the tube section of the housing.

Cuda K5 · 08-08-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinturbo496

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trkklr77

it happens, usualy around the tube section of the housing.

read man!

jk

enigma2y0u · 08-08-2012, 04:53 PM

Link mounts would be another reason.

420willys · 08-08-2012, 05:44 PM

Very old cell phone Pics.

Cracked plug welds, end result spun pass side tube.

Had more, lost them as I did that 8 years ago.

No truss over the housing done on a sprung over Jeep with 39's and a tired 4.0.

Jason.

Twinturbo496 · 08-08-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuda K5

read man!

jk

Sam is slow as shit at fab stuff, we don't have time for this unless it really is a problem.

Twinturbo496 · 08-08-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 78stepsideUAK10

Cause?

Corey Young · 08-08-2012, 05:58 PM

I have seen 3 broken where the tubes go into the cast portion. They were all the older 3/8" thick center, not the newer ribbed, 3/4" thick one.

tlspeed1 · 08-08-2012, 06:32 PM

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Friend of mine had some rocks bash his in and crack it.

Grumpy_old_fart · 08-09-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinturbo496

Cause?

cross pin broke, evidently...

K5runner@hotmail.com · 08-09-2012, 08:13 AM

The truss (in my opinion) is for upper link mounts and to keep the tubes from bending.

And what I have is NOT enough.

oldenginebuilder · 08-09-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey Young

I have seen 3 broken where the tubes go into the cast portion. They were all the older 3/8" thick center, not the newer ribbed, 3/4" thick one.

Ditto. I've seen this exact thing, on this older version, but the pics went with my old PC, or I'd post.

CrashTrash · 08-09-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinturbo496

Not bent tubes.
Not fucked up spindles
Not teeth knocked off the r&p

I want to see a photo of a crack in the cast center section.

Lots of huge trusses have been added to 14 bolts, including the war wagon, but why? Just for fun? Just in case?

Or is it just because everybody saw a broken 10 bolt?

The K20 is already on its way to being a fat bitch, it certainly doesn't need any extra unsprung weight.

And it will take Sam a year to figure out how he wants to do it, and we don't have time for that shit right now.

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.

You sound like the 14b is a role model of yours that someone talked shit on.

But, the reason for a truss is to keep the tubes from breaking the cast center after a jump or hard drop from an obstacle.

tacoma73 · 08-09-2012, 03:53 PM

If your guy is slow, get an Artec truss and call it done.

Twinturbo496 · 08-10-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrashTrash

You sound like the 14b is a role model of yours that someone talked shit on...

I don't really care, and even Sam would have gone with a Jana if it had been available at the time. The real problem is time & weight. Sam is slow, and the truck is already fat. Sam is also stubborn as a mule, and unlikely to buy a brace, he will want to spend a year making his own.

BRORSAM · 08-12-2012, 06:42 PM

Of the 14 bolts in my inventory currently, I've got maybe one with what I'd consider "well executed" plug welds. The rest have somewhat incomplete plug welds. Are the ones with "good" factory plug welds any less prone to spinning the tubes in the housing? Or, are the plug welds sometimes just insufficient for the loads we induce in a 4 wheeling application?

BRORSAM · 08-12-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by K5runner@hotmail.com

The truss (in my opinion) is for upper link mounts and to keep the tubes from bending.

And what I have is NOT enough.

Are you actually having issues bending the housing, or just concerned about what COULD happen? I'm guessing that if you really had a problem, your rear axle would have a truss much like your front axle...

offroadmatt · 08-12-2012, 07:16 PM

I can add to this. This is with a BTF truss. My next one will be a artec for sure!!!!!!!!

BRORSAM · 08-12-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by offroadmatt

I can add to this. This is with a BTF truss. My next one will be a artec for sure!!!!!!!!

Okay, a housing break on a trussed axle---you have our attention. Quick backstory available on the incident? Judging from the pinion yoke, I'm guessing a fair degree of violence was involved.

K5runner@hotmail.com · 08-12-2012, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRORSAM

Are you actually having issues bending the housing, or just concerned about what COULD happen? I'm guessing that if you really had a problem, your rear axle would have a truss much like your front axle...

I believe all of the above. I know that because of what the truck can do I need a truss. Also because my front was bent ~3/8" on the long tube. The rear never got a truss because I had no idea what I was doing at the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRORSAM

Okay, a housing break on a trussed axle---you have our attention. Quick backstory available on the incident? Judging from the pinion yoke, I'm guessing a fair degree of violence was involved.

Maybe also show us what's going on with that lower mount. Just doesn't look right in the pic. Did a link mount let go? Maybe at a higher speed? Also very interested in the broken 14 bolt.

08-08-2012, 03:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Twinturbo496 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Member # 184984 Posts: 135	Show me a cracked 14 Bolt center section Not bent tubes. Not fucked up spindles Not teeth knocked off the r&p I want to see a photo of a crack in the cast center section. Lots of huge trusses have been added to 14 bolts, including the war wagon, but why? Just for fun? Just in case? Or is it just because everybody saw a broken 10 bolt? The K20 is already on its way to being a fat bitch, it certainly doesn't need any extra unsprung weight. And it will take Sam a year to figure out how he wants to do it, and we don't have time for that shit right now. Pics or it didn't fucking happen. __________________ Life is too short not to run a solid roller camshaft.

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enigma2y0u Rock God Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36955 Location: Aztec, NM Posts: 1,009	Link mounts would be another reason.

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420willys Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Member # 23452 Location: holland mass USA Posts: 2,050	Very old cell phone Pics. Cracked plug welds, end result spun pass side tube. Had more, lost them as I did that 8 years ago. No truss over the housing done on a sprung over Jeep with 39's and a tired 4.0. Jason. __________________ 93 yj 4.0 700r/241 HP 60 front 5.38's, Chevy 60 rearsteer 5.38's, bolth spooled and beating it like it owes me money.

08-08-2012, 05:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Corey Young ______________ Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 21622 Location: Washington State Posts: 3,324	I have seen 3 broken where the tubes go into the cast portion. They were all the older 3/8" thick center, not the newer ribbed, 3/4" thick one. Last edited by Corey Young; 08-08-2012 at 05:59 PM.

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K5runner@hotmail.com Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 96153 Location: Sun Valley, Ca Posts: 3,165	The truss (in my opinion) is for upper link mounts and to keep the tubes from bending. And what I have is NOT enough. Attached Images __________________ DD:09' V8 Colorado For Sale Toy:The BlazerRebuild Ultra4 #818 Old tow:92' Dodge Build Sold New tow:05' Dodge Crew 4x4 CTD (stock for now) Looking for sponsors, we're going racing! Last edited by K5runner@hotmail.com; 08-09-2012 at 08:16 AM.

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08-12-2012, 06:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
BRORSAM ... Join Date: Mar 2011 Member # 186604 Location: Thibodaux, Louisiana Posts: 940	For the guys spinning the tubes in the housing... Of the 14 bolts in my inventory currently, I've got maybe one with what I'd consider "well executed" plug welds. The rest have somewhat incomplete plug welds. Are the ones with "good" factory plug welds any less prone to spinning the tubes in the housing? Or, are the plug welds sometimes just insufficient for the loads we induce in a 4 wheeling application?

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