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Old 01-02-2005, 11:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How much lift to clear 49 inch Iroks ?

I was hoping it wouldnt come to this but the three guys trying to trade me half used 44 inch boggers for my new 42's insist their tires are worth my tires and 800 dollars to be a fair trade......yeah right and let me go smoke some more crack cocaine and think it over, then I got a guy offering me some 49 inch iroks for my tires and less money and his tires have 50 miles on them, I really didnt want to go this big and was wondering if they will fit my truck as is, I have 13 inches of suspension and 3 inches of body and 4 inch cutout flares. I dont want to do anymore lifting or cutting, is there a chance in hell? Anybody on here try this on a 73-87 chevy pickup? And what kind of gears would I need to haul around that much rubber?
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what kind of axles you have??? and what kind of wheeling do you do??? i have seen 49's make a 2 1/2 ton rockwell shaft look like a tooth pic in mild rocks.. so think that over too.. you need the lowest gears on the market plus some..
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I have dana 60 inthe front, Corporate 14 in the rear, and I do snow wheeling in the winter and trail mudding in the spring.
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Old 01-03-2005, 06:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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How much does your setup weigh? Personally, I would like more axle. Your going to need more gear (unless you have it someplace else in your driveline?) which will bring you to another issue ....pinion size. Just my .02 and something to ponder over.
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..I got a guy offering me some 49 inch iroks for my tires and less money and his tires have 50 miles on them....
Why is he getting rid of them ? That might be your answer......

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I would pass on the 49s. Keep your 42s.
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Old 01-03-2005, 07:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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In my opinion, just keep your 42's. It sounds like you are in one of those impulse buy situations. Also, the lowest gears I believe that are available for the 14 bolt are 5.13's. With 49's, even that gear ratio will be on the high side.
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ewww. iroks.

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The 42's are way too skinny and they arent working like I want them to, I want 44's because they are wider. And are iroks any good? One post said ewwww? Why? There are three trucks in town running 49's but they never see the mud and mine is going to see plenty so any help here is appreciated. Worst case I might be able to get the Iroks cheap and re-sell them and Get my 44 inch tsl's that I actually want.
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iroks are a radial tire, made to keep on road driving more friendly (no flat spots after sitting for more than 5 min, etc.) bias ply tires will out flex (read wrap around whatever u r trying to get traction on) and out wheel any comprable radial. re selling the iroks is a fine idea. the fact that its a radial, combined with a height that mandates a min of 2.5 ton axles makes the 44s an even better choice.
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iroks are a radial tire, made to keep on road driving more friendly (no flat spots after sitting for more than 5 min, etc.) bias ply tires will out flex (read wrap around whatever u r trying to get traction on) and out wheel any comprable radial. re selling the iroks is a fine idea. the fact that its a radial, combined with a height that mandates a min of 2.5 ton axles makes the 44s an even better choice.
Uhhh.....there are bias and radial versions of the Iroks. I'm pretty sure the larger sizes, especially 49's, are all bias ply.
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Uhhh.....there are bias and radial versions of the Iroks. I'm pretty sure the larger sizes, especially 49's, are all bias ply.

yea no shit reddman... where the hell did you hear that all iroks are radials?


As for the topic... You say muddy trails... can you elaborate a little more? i live in oregon so i know some trails that those tires will be the shit... and other trails where your just gonna break. does your motor have some balls?

your truck is gonna be really tall. id almost suggest moving the front axle forward a ways. losing the bed. and then youd be good to go.
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oops. i never liked their tread and so never paid much attention to their specs. when they first came out i read the radial and saw the wheel sizes and lost all interest in them. i guess while i wasnt looking (no excuse since they have been out for a while) they came out with bias. put my foot in my mouth on that 1.
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oops. i never liked their tread and so never paid much attention to their specs. when they first came out i read the radial and saw the wheel sizes and lost all interest in them. i guess while i wasnt looking (no excuse since they have been out for a while) they came out with bias. put my foot in my mouth on that 1.

i just dont like the donut look they have.. it seems like they would have no bite when trying to come out of ruts.
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oops. i never liked their tread and so never paid much attention to their specs. when they first came out i read the radial and saw the wheel sizes and lost all interest in them. i guess while i wasnt looking (no excuse since they have been out for a while) they came out with bias. put my foot in my mouth on that 1.
the bias were out before the radials were on the iroks...
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the general consensus is that 49's are too much tire for 1 ton running gear. either keep your tires or trade and resell the 49's.
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the bias were out before the radials were on the iroks...
i thought otherwise. but as has just been proven, i have been wrong before. to much and makes me forget things sometimes. but i still dont like the iroks. im all about the tsls, if they made a 44 tsl/sx i would give my left nut for a set. im all about 15" wheels and mad sidewalls. large wheels like the 20's and etc. the irocs are made for just dont do it for me. sidewall flex is a good thing in my book, and i dont feel the iroks offer it. they seem like more of a showy tire to me.

so back to the ? at hand. they may fit, but your truck is EXTREMELY tall already. not to mention the axle size and gearing necesarry to run the 49s. if you are looking for more width, my suggestion is find some 44s, as they are the extreme upper limit of what a 1480 joint can handle. buying and selling the iroks may prove to be your best bet.
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irocks come in all rim sizes. the 49s come in 16.5 thats the smallest rim. they have mad grip from what i have seen. oh yeah 1 tons wont cut it,

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Panty Dropper, what do you currentley have as far as an engine, gearing, tranny, axles, etc? It doesn't sound like the 49's are the right tire for you if you don't want to do anymore cutting...which would most likely be required if you go off road at all.

Now, buying them and trading for some 44's, I would consider that...if you can get the 49's at a very good price.
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k. just checked intercos site. they do come in 15's, so i was wrong. but they do go up to 22", which makes you think about the type of customer they are designed to attract. more show than go imo. the lug spacing is far closer than the tsl. so the carcass wont flex as well as a comprably sized tls. also wont clean as well. would reduce road noise, but if your ultimate goal is no holds barred performance, then that doesnt matter.
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redman..where do u get this shit from? the reason they come in a 20 and 22 inch wheel is for the big axles...yea theres alot of show and no go rims out there, but if your running a military rear and wanna keep the drum brakes, u need the 20'' wheel. and even with a 20'' wheel theres gonna be alot of flex in the sidewall, there will still be more sidewall than a 44 with a 16.5... and to say the lug spacing is closer than a tsl shows your ingnorance...ever look at a irok? theres prolly twice the space inbetween lugs compared to a tsl, and they are cut more like a bogger, with a sort of 'scoop' in the lug to bite in mud and clean better...

as for the 42s for 49 trade, the only way i would get into that deal is if you know of someplace to resell the 49s, theyre kinda an odd commodity, if u have a buyer great, if not, u could miss half the year sittin on them till u sell them to buy the 44s.
as far as running them, u need alot of power to keep those tires turnin, especially in the goo... so i hope u have one mean BB under the hood of that truck, and 5.13s and chromos in the rears now to even stand a chance.....
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Back to the skinny here. I agree with thundr undrgrond, with wheel size availability and IROK/TSL differences. I agree that if you do not have a buyer lined up...close by to ease shipping costs on the buyer (high ship charges only detracts form the attractiveness of a deal)...then I would pass. Also, IMO you do not have the axles for the 49" IROKS....sorry. I also doubt you have the motor or gearing (which as stated, you won't get with the 14 FF). I could be wrong but you made no mention of the rest of your drivetrain.....motor/trans/Tcase ..or cases). The 49's will be fine for you if you plan to cruise the strip, but if you plan on getting "out" and getting back home...under own power, I would think a bit more. There is nothing wrong with building for overkill...in a total systems approach. The idea is to build a vehicle that you can get out with and get home with...IMO, wrenching is to be enjoyed in the garage...not in the field! I am just trying to shed light on the whole picture here, I am sure we have all been blinded by a "good deal" before. I would hate to see you get stuck with something that just does not fit your needs. Sometimes it is easier to see the whole picture when your the outsider or if you just step back a bit. Good luck.
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it is funny how people (reddman) hame opinyons about thing thay no nothing about
49's work GREAT

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Well I think all you guys are right that's why I posted on here, and I believe these are too much tire for me. My gears are 4.11's locked and they have no problem turning the 42's and the engine is a stock 400 chevy but I just got the parts to beef it up a bit, Intake, Cam, Gear drive and carb, i am going to limp it along until I get my 455 Olds engine and tranny set up done. The transfer case is a 203 (yeah I know ) with a th400 tranny. I was thinking of saving the Iroks for a pavement pounder project I am going to do someday, My other 1970 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Wagon (that 70's show car) I am going to put it on a truck chassis and lift the shit out of it and drive it on the street only as parts for these cars are impossible to find and I think a 4x4 wagon would be cool because I am sick like that. And yes I plan on mudding the shit out of my truck and probably going to break some parts along the way, thats why I didnt want boggers, Also I drive the truck to where ever it gets wheeled so streetability comes into the equation at some point.
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I would pass on the 49s. Keep your 42s.


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