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Mud in the blood · 12-07-2005, 12:08 PM

I know that those 2 words don't go together, but.......
I know that many here have built the 10 bolt as best as it can be done, so what IS the best way to beef 1 up? I know that CTM's or sim. joints would help, and alloy shafts. but what about bigger splines? can it be done? Is there a good full diff. locker for 'em, and is it needed? (I have a mini spool now)
When $$ and timing permit I will get a D60, but untill then I could aford a step by step build of the 10B.

cegusman · 12-07-2005, 12:58 PM

Just save up for the 60, you will spend close to the same amount of money to build the 10 bolt.

jekbrown · 12-07-2005, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cegusman

Just save up for the 60, you will spend close to the same amount of money to build the 10 bolt.

x2

Blingin shafts + CTMs + full locker etc isn't going to be cheap... I'd rather have a stock D60... which would cost less.

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7thgear · 12-07-2005, 07:54 PM

yeah, saving up for a d60 would be your best bet. I just finished rebuilding a dana44 and a 9", it aint cheap, escpecially if you plan on stuffing it with new gears and a detroit.

lebowski · 12-07-2005, 08:48 PM

Yeah, just save up for a D60, it will be cheaper in the long run. If you build your 10b up, this will delay you getting a D60 even longer.

reddman · 12-07-2005, 08:59 PM

buy ball joints with a lifetime warranty, u will need to use it pretty regularly.

axisT6 · 12-07-2005, 10:08 PM

Man, Dana 60's must be cheap where you all live. I can build a 10 bolt or a D44 with Chromo's, gears, diff, bearings etc. for less then a stock 60. I am not saying it is a better choice, but I am saying that it can be done for less then a what a junkyard 60 will cost.

axisT6 · 12-07-2005, 10:09 PM

Man, Dana 60's must be cheap where you all live. I can build a 10 bolt or a D44 with Chromo's, gears, diff, bearings etc. for less then a stock 60. I am not saying it is a better choice, but I am saying that it can be done for less then a what a junkyard 60 will cost.

Mud in the blood · 12-08-2005, 02:31 AM

Well, Iv'e got the gears I need in it allready, I don't need the full case locker, unless the carrier is a week link in the 1st place (I don't know) and a D60 will cost me $900 from the 'yards in my area. Plus the 10b will give me better clearince up front. But....... Even if I go all out with it, would it ever be comparable with a STOCK D60?

SouthernK5 · 12-08-2005, 05:32 AM

the ground clearance isnt that much differnt

pbmang · 12-08-2005, 09:45 AM

i would think that with the ctms and new shafts that would be close to 900...but ive never really looked into it...kind of seems like polishing a turd IMFO

GMCTruxrule · 12-16-2005, 09:20 PM

People put too much hype into Dana 60's and don't have enough faith in 10 bolts. I run 38" on my 10 bolt and never have had any problems, my friend is running 44's on a 10 bolt front 12 bolt rear set up, wheels the ever loving piss out of it, and never has broken an axle.

granny_low · 12-17-2005, 04:21 PM

yea but is he running lockers. put 44's on a 10b and run lockers and lock it on the street, bring a tow truck with ya too, thats the only way its gettin home. even on the trail, its gonna break.

chasone64 · 12-19-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMCTruxrule

People put too much hype into Dana 60's and don't have enough faith in 10 bolts. I run 38" on my 10 bolt and never have had any problems, my friend is running 44's on a 10 bolt front 12 bolt rear set up, wheels the ever loving piss out of it, and never has broken an axle.

Ain't that the truth!!
I run 39.5's on my 10bolt front with a cheap posi & haven't had any problems.
The best advice anyone can give on running 10bolts is - watch your right foot!!
Get some good shafts & u joints & run the piss out of it!!

botiejeep · 12-19-2005, 12:15 PM

Aparently they havent tried very much or are running a 22r motor. Its hard not to break front dana 44 shafts with 36 inch tires. The main problem is the ball joints with that size of a tire.

trailrig · 12-19-2005, 12:27 PM

my k5 blazer used to sit on bfg mt 35's and twin 28 spline 10 bolts 4.10's spool rear, locker front and i blew 3 front shafts and 2 rear in the same summer....................SAVE FOR A 60

positrack@earthlink. · 12-19-2005, 10:40 PM

I broke 2 ball joints and 3 U-joints on the open D44 in my 3/4 ton Chevy with dinky 33x11.5" tires before I finally swapped it for a 60. One of the U-joint failures took the upper ball joint with it. None of these failures were under particularly "hardcore" conditions but, to be fair, the 44 was stock and I do like the throttle. I rebuilt the D60 w/ 4.56s, new non-neckdown Spicer shafts, the new Spicer joints, and even (stupidly) kept the outers 30 spline to use the Spicer lockouts I got w/ the axle. I have beat on the basically stock 60 twice as hard as I ever did the 44 and haven't had a bit of trouble. I'd definately say save up for a 60. I doubt that the 10 bolt could be built as strong as a stock 60 in good condition, regardless of the $$$ spent on it (especially the ball joints and R+P), but that's just MHO.

.D. · 12-21-2005, 08:49 PM

lemme ::knock on wood:: before i post this...
but i blew up the spider gears and cracked the carrier in my stock 10b with the g80... replaced it with the detroit full locker and inspected shafts and ring/pinion, and seals while i was installing, everything looked good and i have had NO probs with it whatsover. afraid the next thing to break is gonna be a shaft, but so far so good. im running 35's with factory 4.10s. i think its all about how you use it. overkill is good, but not always worth it. my .02

12-07-2005, 12:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mud in the blood Wheeler Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 35491 Location: Medford OR Posts: 189	10B beef? (I know I know) I know that those 2 words don't go together, but....... I know that many here have built the 10 bolt as best as it can be done, so what IS the best way to beef 1 up? I know that CTM's or sim. joints would help, and alloy shafts. but what about bigger splines? can it be done? Is there a good full diff. locker for 'em, and is it needed? (I have a mini spool now) When $$ and timing permit I will get a D60, but untill then I could aford a step by step build of the 10B. __________________ Sterilize the stupid for a brighter tomorrow!

12-07-2005, 12:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
cegusman Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5738 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 730	Just save up for the 60, you will spend close to the same amount of money to build the 10 bolt. __________________ 1982 Chevy K5 Blazer 6.2 Diesel\SM465\NP205 Front: Dana 60 4.88 Detroit 1410. 52" Spring swap and a 4 degree tapered Zero Rate Rear: 14 Bolt 4.88 Detroit 1410. Disk Brakes. Stock 56" springs DIY4x Shackle flip and a 1" Zero Rate 38.5x14.50-15 SX's - 15x9 bead locked wheels [URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6018956&posted=1#post6018956"]My Build Tread[/URL]

12-07-2005, 07:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
7thgear Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55669 Location: Illinois Posts: 580	yeah, saving up for a d60 would be your best bet. I just finished rebuilding a dana44 and a 9", it aint cheap, escpecially if you plan on stuffing it with new gears and a detroit. __________________ [U][COLOR="Red"]1993 GMC Sonoma w/ 4.3liter V6, nv3500 manual 5 speed bolted to an np231.[/COLOR][/U][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][/FONT] SAS'D++CLICK HERE FOR PICS[URL="http://www.s10extremist.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95591#95591"]http://www.s10extremist.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95591#95591[/URL]

12-08-2005, 02:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mud in the blood Wheeler Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 35491 Location: Medford OR Posts: 189	Well, Iv'e got the gears I need in it allready, I don't need the full case locker, unless the carrier is a week link in the 1st place (I don't know) and a D60 will cost me $900 from the 'yards in my area. Plus the 10b will give me better clearince up front. But....... Even if I go all out with it, would it ever be comparable with a STOCK D60? __________________ Sterilize the stupid for a brighter tomorrow!

12-08-2005, 05:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
SouthernK5 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 53382 Location: Fairfax Station, VA Posts: 1,169	the ground clearance isnt that much differnt __________________ '85 k30 with crawl ratio of 140:1 '88 k5 on 39.5 iroks muddybuddy on ck5

12-07-2005, 08:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
lebowski Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 25964 Posts: 427	Yeah, just save up for a D60, it will be cheaper in the long run. If you build your 10b up, this will delay you getting a D60 even longer.

12-07-2005, 08:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
reddman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 39492 Location: SL,UT Posts: 2,334	buy ball joints with a lifetime warranty, u will need to use it pretty regularly.

12-07-2005, 10:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
axisT6 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34987 Location: Texas Posts: 674	Man, Dana 60's must be cheap where you all live. I can build a 10 bolt or a D44 with Chromo's, gears, diff, bearings etc. for less then a stock 60. I am not saying it is a better choice, but I am saying that it can be done for less then a what a junkyard 60 will cost.

12-07-2005, 10:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
axisT6 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34987 Location: Texas Posts: 674	Man, Dana 60's must be cheap where you all live. I can build a 10 bolt or a D44 with Chromo's, gears, diff, bearings etc. for less then a stock 60. I am not saying it is a better choice, but I am saying that it can be done for less then a what a junkyard 60 will cost.

12-08-2005, 09:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
pbmang Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29923 Posts: 308	i would think that with the ctms and new shafts that would be close to 900...but ive never really looked into it...kind of seems like polishing a turd IMFO

12-16-2005, 09:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
GMCTruxrule Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 51243 Location: Tropical Paradise Posts: 3,410	People put too much hype into Dana 60's and don't have enough faith in 10 bolts. I run 38" on my 10 bolt and never have had any problems, my friend is running 44's on a 10 bolt front 12 bolt rear set up, wheels the ever loving piss out of it, and never has broken an axle. __________________ [COLOR="Lime"][B]1999 Chevy K3500, 5.7/4L80E/14FF/stock/stock/stock[/B][/COLOR]

12-17-2005, 04:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
granny_low Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 54106 Location: Missouri Posts: 40	yea but is he running lockers. put 44's on a 10b and run lockers and lock it on the street, bring a tow truck with ya too, thats the only way its gettin home. even on the trail, its gonna break. Last edited by granny_low; 12-17-2005 at 04:23 PM.

12-19-2005, 12:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
botiejeep Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41969 Location: Mt. Sterling, IL Posts: 3,407	Aparently they havent tried very much or are running a 22r motor. Its hard not to break front dana 44 shafts with 36 inch tires. The main problem is the ball joints with that size of a tire. __________________ 08 LTZ Duramax Top Shop Champion Spring 2006-Team Toumbs Repair Top Shop Champion Fall 2006---Team Toumbs Repair Originally Posted by Dan Dibble "In my opinion this is a motor sport so I like to have one. Any more questions " Dan

12-19-2005, 12:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
trailrig Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Member # 46541 Location: Flushing, MI Posts: 256	my k5 blazer used to sit on bfg mt 35's and twin 28 spline 10 bolts 4.10's spool rear, locker front and i blew 3 front shafts and 2 rear in the same summer....................SAVE FOR A 60

12-19-2005, 10:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
positrack@earthlink. _Differential 'Dozer Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 51113 Location: Princeton, IL Posts: 568	I broke 2 ball joints and 3 U-joints on the open D44 in my 3/4 ton Chevy with dinky 33x11.5" tires before I finally swapped it for a 60. One of the U-joint failures took the upper ball joint with it. None of these failures were under particularly "hardcore" conditions but, to be fair, the 44 was stock and I do like the throttle. I rebuilt the D60 w/ 4.56s, new non-neckdown Spicer shafts, the new Spicer joints, and even (stupidly) kept the outers 30 spline to use the Spicer lockouts I got w/ the axle. I have beat on the basically stock 60 twice as hard as I ever did the 44 and haven't had a bit of trouble. I'd definately say save up for a 60. I doubt that the 10 bolt could be built as strong as a stock 60 in good condition, regardless of the $$$ spent on it (especially the ball joints and R+P), but that's just MHO. __________________ '76 K20, 400, NV4500, LoMax 205, 14b/Detroit/discs, D60, 4.56s '78 K30, 400, TH400, 203, 14b, D60, 4.10s '79 Cherokee, 360, T18, D20, W.T.D44s

12-21-2005, 08:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
.D. Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 52217 Posts: 22	lemme ::knock on wood:: before i post this... but i blew up the spider gears and cracked the carrier in my stock 10b with the g80... replaced it with the detroit full locker and inspected shafts and ring/pinion, and seals while i was installing, everything looked good and i have had NO probs with it whatsover. afraid the next thing to break is gonna be a shaft, but so far so good. im running 35's with factory 4.10s. i think its all about how you use it. overkill is good, but not always worth it. my .02

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