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Old 08-14-2007, 02:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Welding the 14 Bolt

Ok here is my question, I have been thinking of getting a locker for my 14 bolt, but seems like everyone that I talk to just says to weld it. Well I don't have a problem with that if it will be strong enough to hold.

I have heard many different ways to do it, but not to sure what one to do. I had seen on here on the tech section that ballivesta dosen't like welding the spiders together because of the enourmous stress loads that are placed on them while under load. I like the way he did his but am un-familiar with welding rear ends together.

Any advice and pictures that you could provide and post would be greatly apperiacted

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[QUOTE=sm1nts2escape;7210175]What gear ratio do I need for running 44" tsl's for a top speed around 115mph?Thanks[/QUOTE]
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Depends what you're going to do with it. If this is a pure off-road machine, a locker is nice but a little too pricey. If you dont plan on driving it on the streets, i'd either get a spool, or just weld the spiders.

Welding them isnt very high tech, you just weld the spider gears together. I've known plenty of people who are hardly skilled welders that have done this to their 14 bolt and they've never broke.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This is a strictly trail truck
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Just weld them up solid i doubt you will ever brake the weld you will chip the ring or pinion or break a U-joint or axle shaft first before a weld will brake i think... Im welding my 14 bolt in the next week or 2 hopefully ill post up some pics for you if your gonna wait...

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I am considering welding mine too. I had a welded 12bolt in my Nova and it skipped around corners. Will this get even worse with a 15.5 tire? My truck is a daily driver so i am wondering if welding it is realyl a good idea or not.
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I am considering welding mine too. I had a welded 12bolt in my Nova and it skipped around corners. Will this get even worse with a 15.5 tire? My truck is a daily driver so i am wondering if welding it is realyl a good idea or not.
If you got to drive it on the street, no it's not a very good idea at all. I'd go with a locker if it's on the street a lot.
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welding a rear and DD it on the street especially with tires that wide is not very smart. Just Detroit it, they aren't that expensive.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks, that is what I was thinking.
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Old 08-15-2007, 05:44 AM   #9 (permalink)
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well mine isn't going to see the road, well maybe 20 miles a year thats to and from the trail, and any advice would be greatly appericated

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Well it's up to you. If you get a detroit, it'll work better on the street. With it welded, the rear is going to jump around and scuff the tires on a turn.
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Mine is not a daily driver, but I have made several 200+ mile round trips to and from the trail with a welded rear diff. Handling on the street have never been an issue, and the only time it's noticable is making sharp turns in town or a parking lot (38x13 Swampers). They did cause the rear tires to wear noticably faster.

A friend also runs a welded rear and has had both 38x13 and 42x15 Swampers. He drove the truck on the road to and from the trails for years, including several trips out of state and again never had any issues. I never noticed as much additional wear on his rear tires versus the front, but it was a pickup so probably less weight on the rear.

For a DD, I probably would not run a welded rear but for a trail truck with a very small amount of road time there is no way I would spend the money on a locker.

With decent welds neither of us has had any failures. My friends truck runs a mildly built big block with the 42's and he's broken a 35-spline D60 stub, but not the welded rear.
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I have had ARB's and detroits in the rear before. Now everything (3 axles so far) get welded for the rear. If I drove my trail rigs as a DD I would probubly go with the ARB again....but realy a rear locker is not worth it. Spool it and foget it.

The only people I have seen break a 14bolt did that stupid fill-in-the-gaps style that was promoted on CK5; it would eventualy loosen itself up. However I have seen a couple of 14bolt detroits go after a rear shaft was broken.
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If I didn't get a really good deal on a 14 bolt with a detroit already, mine would be welded.
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he said it was a trail truck. and he's cool with welding it as long as its strong.
this site is going to hell.
none of you answered his question on the proper way to weld the damn thing.

1. tack the spiders to the side gears through the windows of the case. tacking it before you split the case insures it will go back together later. dont weld anything to the case.

2. split the case. weld up the side gears, spider gears and crosspins into a big ball.(better have plenty of gas and wire). you have now made it into a redneck mini-spool.

3. grind down the welded hunk until the welds dont prevent the assembly from dropping back into the case.

4. reassemble

the only way you will break it is if all 4 crosspins break at once. you will snap an axle first.

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Anyone have any pics?
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Yeah pictures would be great, I pretty much have a rough Idea of what to do but I would rather see something to make sure that I don't f*ck it up when I try to do it.

I had seen the Fozzy locker that CK5 was puttin out on there website, and thought that it just looked like it would screw something up

Thanks so far

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he said it was a trail truck. and he's cool with welding it as long as its strong.
this site is going to hell.
none of you answered his question on the proper way to weld the damn thing.

1. tack the spiders to the side gears through the windows of the case. tacking it before you split the case insures it will go back together later. dont weld anything to the case.

2. split the case. weld up the side gears, spider gears and crosspins into a big ball.(better have plenty of gas and wire). you have now made it into a redneck mini-spool.

3. grind down the welded hunk until the welds dont prevent the assembly from dropping back into the case.

4. reassemble

the only way you will break it is if all 4 crosspins break at once. you will snap an axle first.
Thanks for finaly answering my question
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So you pretty much just fill all that full of weld and boom "mini spool"
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I found this post and this pretty much looks un breakable

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ht=weld+orb%2A
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I found this post and this pretty much looks un breakable

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ht=weld+orb%2A
You'll break alot of other stuff before the ball of molten steel lets go...
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You'll break alot of other stuff before the ball of molten steel lets go...
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isnt a 14blt mini spool like less than 200 buck with the price of wire and gas theses days....
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I don't know what the price is thats why I'm askin either weld it or spool it which is eaise and cheaper, right now looks like the weld is the way to go, but where can you buy mini spools at online
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