16.5'' 6-lug wheel question - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

D44Runner · 03-10-2011, 09:56 PM

I want to put cheap military tires on my K5 and these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/USW-706960/ are the only reasonable 16.5 6lug wheels I can find. The problem is that in the description it says not to go larger than a 33 inch tire. Is that just because of the safety bead on the 16.5 or is there another reason.

muddindog · 03-10-2011, 10:00 PM

They are pretty thin wheels. I have had a set of U.S. Wheels and I was less than happy with the quality of the wheels. They may be concerned that you may bust the centers out of the wheels, or maybe they know that your half ton axles wont be able to handle any tires bigger than a 33". You get what you pay for.

NJMetalhead · 03-10-2011, 10:09 PM

Get a set of H1 wheels and recenter them with a 6 lug center. There is a vender on here that you can get them from already recentered with the correct center.

D44Runner · 03-10-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by muddindog

They are pretty thin wheels. I have had a set of U.S. Wheels and I was less than happy with the quality of the wheels. They may be concerned that you may bust the centers out of the wheels, or maybe they know that your half ton axles wont be able to handle any tires bigger than a 33". You get what you pay for.

That's what I was afraid of, there isn't many options out there.

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Originally Posted by NJMetalhead

Get a set of H1 wheels and recenter them with a 6 lug center. There is a vender on here that you can get them from already recentered with the correct center.

I'll have to look for that thanks.

trkklr77 · 03-10-2011, 10:15 PM

those wheels are fucking junk.

you will be FAR better off with the recenter.

pm 409yj

D44Runner · 03-10-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by trkklr77

those wheels are fucking junk.

you will be FAR better off with the recenter.

pm 409yj

That's what I'll do.

glenns89 · 03-11-2011, 12:08 AM

406 YJ has a thread about the H1's /forum/axles-tires-wheels/746158-recentered-h1-special.html

sjracer · 03-11-2011, 06:19 AM

did you try the pro-comp rockcrawler wheels? i have a set, they are made of good thick steel, for a non-beadlock wheel i've been very happy with them. found two different ones on Summitracing here's the part #'s 52-65883 and 52-65983. both for less than $100 each.

Dookey · 03-11-2011, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sjracer

did you try the pro-comp rockcrawler wheels? i have a set, they are made of good thick steel, for a non-beadlock wheel i've been very happy with them. found two different ones on Summitracing here's the part #'s 52-65883 and 52-65983. both for less than $100 each.

For another 75 bones why not upgrade to a true double bead lock?

tex_50613 · 03-11-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sjracer

did you try the pro-comp rockcrawler wheels? i have a set, they are made of good thick steel, for a non-beadlock wheel i've been very happy with them. found two different ones on Summitracing here's the part #'s 52-65883 and 52-65983. both for less than $100 each.

4wheelparts has the procomp wheels for $71 plus shipping also

sjracer · 03-11-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dookey

For another 75 bones why not upgrade to a true double bead lock?

no offence, but for those of us on a budget that usually got to get it on the road $280 to $300 for four of them shipped to my door was a whole lot better than $600+. yes double bead locks are better if not the best, and when i can afford it then so be it. untill then.................

AngleIron · 03-12-2011, 02:54 PM

he is putting these on 1/2 ton axles. Do you guys really think he is going to do anything to hurt the wheels or actually need a bead-lock

his axle parts will break before he ever fucks up a wheel.

Dookey · 03-14-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sjracer

no offence, but for those of us on a budget that usually got to get it on the road $280 to $300 for four of them shipped to my door was a whole lot better than $600+. yes double bead locks are better if not the best, and when i can afford it then so be it. untill then.................

No offense taken. If I can help you with anything please just let me know. We will be around for a long time so if you ever need help on some bead locks I am here to help.

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Originally Posted by AngleIron

he is putting these on 1/2 ton axles. Do you guys really think he is going to do anything to hurt the wheels or actually need a bead-lock

his axle parts will break before he ever fucks up a wheel.

If you run 16.5s you NEED bead locks. The wheel size was designed specifically around an insert and running one without it causes you to pop a bead very easily. How many parts do you think you will break when you have a flat on the trail and roll your rig? Besides, there is nothing more expensive then spending money twice.

Grumpy_old_fart · 03-14-2011, 12:30 AM

to bead lock a 16.5, you can always weld a .125 wire ring around the inside of the wheel where the bead rides for a safety ring. it makes the tires a bitch to get off the wheel, though.

AngleIron · 03-14-2011, 05:57 AM

How can a wheel size determine if you HAVE to use a beadlock? I'm not trying to be a smart ass i really want to know the reasoning behind that. and why didn't GM use one for all the years they sold trucks with a 16.5" wheel?

i was simply stating that if a guy runs 1/2 ton axles, chances are he is not going to put his truck in a situation where he is going to be off camber enough to pop a bead. save the money upgrade your axles then buy a set of bead lock wheels and go wheel the hell out it

Dookey · 03-14-2011, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AngleIron

How can a wheel size determine if you HAVE to use a beadlock? I'm not trying to be a smart ass i really want to know the reasoning behind that. and why didn't GM use one for all the years they sold trucks with a 16.5" wheel?

i was simply stating that if a guy runs 1/2 ton axles, chances are he is not going to put his truck in a situation where he is going to be off camber enough to pop a bead. save the money upgrade your axles then buy a set of bead lock wheels and go wheel the hell out it

From the very inception of a 16.5" wheel it was designed around an insert. So there are no bead protectors built into the wheel. Thus, why Grumpy is suggesting to weld pieces into the wheel to help keep the bead seated. The majority of wheels out there in a 16.5" size don't have the required parts to handle the tire. They rely on air pressure to keep the bead seated. When you air down or get a leak in a tire.... bad things happen.

That is how a wheel size can determine whether you should run a bead lock. And not just any bead lock. You should run double bead locks because the problem can still happen running single bead lock wheels.

It is no secret that when people run the 16.5s other than the way they were designed there are problems. I met a guy at the Big Meats Run this past weekend and he stated he popped a bead 5 times in one day because he aired down. He bought PVC inserts off the trailer and now he won't have problems.

AngleIron · 03-14-2011, 06:47 AM

thanks for the good information and for being polite about it

Dookey · 03-14-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AngleIron

thanks for the good information and for being polite about it

That's what I'm here for. Please let me know if you have any other questions about 16.5s. Considering we have over 5000 of them in stock it is easy to get stuff figured out.

mog-10 · 03-14-2011, 08:28 AM

not all 16.5 wheels were designed to work with an insert. their are lots of people that 16.5 wheels with out an insert or a bead lock just don't air down problem solved.
this thread was about 16.5 steel non bead lock wheels with a 6 lug on the cheap that this guy can run on his rig with some cheap 37in tires
not one time did he say that he planned on airing down and going crawling

Dookey · 03-14-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mog-10

not all 16.5 wheels were designed to work with an insert. their are lots of people that 16.5 wheels with out an insert or a bead lock just don't air down problem solved.
this thread was about 16.5 steel non bead lock wheels with a 6 lug on the cheap that this guy can run on his rig with some cheap 37in tires
not one time did he say that he planned on airing down and going crawling

You're absolutely correct. But it is better to have more information to make up an educated decision on which way you prefer to go. Nobody is forcing his hand to do anything. There is so much misinformation about 16.5" wheels that I try to help clear the air about it.

rockbuggy84 · 03-14-2011, 09:23 AM

Not sure on your location but all over craigslist here in Ca they are about giving 16.5"s away every day. All the street qweens have been told by the tire shops you can no longer get tires for them and need new wheels. I have bought 3 sets of welds in the past year and the most I have paid was $225 for full set of Weld Mountain Crushers. Also I think this is would be a question for newbie discussion, to help not clutter up certain sections.

hasteranger · 03-14-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mog-10

not one time did he say that he planned on airing down and going crawling

no answer on pirate will ever involve anything less than the strongest, most expensive option, and you will be continually berated and told that you will kill a busload of nuns and that you are attempting a "band aid" fix or that you are "cheaping out" if you opt for anything other than the most involved, expensive, and unnecessary hardcore rockcrawling part. c'mon.

rockbuggy84 · 03-14-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hasteranger

no answer on pirate will ever involve anything less than the strongest, most expensive option, and you will be continually berated and told that you will kill a busload of nuns and that you are attempting a "band aid" fix or that you are "cheaping out" if you opt for anything other than the most involved, expensive, and unnecessary hardcore rockcrawling part. c'mon.

Your a fucking idiot!

K2Orion · 03-14-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hasteranger

no answer on pirate will ever involve anything less than the strongest, most expensive option, and you will be continually berated and told that you will kill a busload of nuns and that you are attempting a "band aid" fix or that you are "cheaping out" if you opt for anything other than the most involved, expensive, and unnecessary hardcore rockcrawling part. c'mon.

yup.

hasteranger · 03-14-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rockbuggy84

Your a fucking idiot!

At least I know how to use "your" and "you're."

03-10-2011, 09:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
D44Runner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Member # 87542 Location: Mahanoy City,PA Posts: 41	16.5'' 6-lug wheel question I want to put cheap military tires on my K5 and these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/USW-706960/ are the only reasonable 16.5 6lug wheels I can find. The problem is that in the description it says not to go larger than a 33 inch tire. Is that just because of the safety bead on the 16.5 or is there another reason. __________________ http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586729 http://www.cardomain.com/id/D44Runner

03-10-2011, 10:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
muddindog Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Member # 150680 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 772	They are pretty thin wheels. I have had a set of U.S. Wheels and I was less than happy with the quality of the wheels. They may be concerned that you may bust the centers out of the wheels, or maybe they know that your half ton axles wont be able to handle any tires bigger than a 33". You get what you pay for. __________________ 75 k20 350/350/203, 14bff, dana 44, 63"/52" 39.5 tsl My Build Chevy Build Thread List

03-10-2011, 10:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
NJMetalhead Lurkin' and learnin' Join Date: Jan 2010 Member # 150920 Location: Bloomfield, NJ Posts: 170	Get a set of H1 wheels and recenter them with a 6 lug center. There is a vender on here that you can get them from already recentered with the correct center. __________________ '91 Chevy K5 Blazer: 350, 700R4, NP241, 14BFF, D60(almost), 35x12.5x15 BFG A/T(going bigger soon). "Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"

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glenns89 Mr Mom Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 94897 Location: rancho cucamonga, so cal Posts: 1,592	406 YJ has a thread about the H1's /forum/axles-tires-wheels/746158-recentered-h1-special.html __________________ 89 jimmy D60/ff14bolt/400/203/205. Detroit rear, open front for now.

03-11-2011, 06:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
sjracer mega hack!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Member # 139150 Location: california: the sue me state! Posts: 1,906	did you try the pro-comp rockcrawler wheels? i have a set, they are made of good thick steel, for a non-beadlock wheel i've been very happy with them. found two different ones on Summitracing here's the part #'s 52-65883 and 52-65983. both for less than $100 each. __________________ 74 chev tbi 350 sm465/203/205 d60 ARB/14b detroit 56's/64's on 40's! /forum/chevy/933618-new-old-black-getting-1-ton-makeover.html

03-10-2011, 10:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
trkklr77 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29016 Location: galt ca, because i wanted my own backyard Posts: 15,354	those wheels are fucking junk. you will be FAR better off with the recenter. pm 409yj

03-12-2011, 02:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
AngleIron Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Member # 178825 Posts: 40	he is putting these on 1/2 ton axles. Do you guys really think he is going to do anything to hurt the wheels or actually need a bead-lock his axle parts will break before he ever fucks up a wheel. __________________ We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already.

03-14-2011, 12:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Grumpy_old_fart Devout Newbie Hater Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20147 Location: Oakland Orygun Posts: 6,485	to bead lock a 16.5, you can always weld a .125 wire ring around the inside of the wheel where the bead rides for a safety ring. it makes the tires a bitch to get off the wheel, though. __________________ sympathy, empathy and apathy... i dont know which one is which.... But i know you can find sympathy between shit and syphilis in the dictionary. Win this car for a whole BUCK!

03-14-2011, 05:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
AngleIron Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Member # 178825 Posts: 40	How can a wheel size determine if you HAVE to use a beadlock? I'm not trying to be a smart ass i really want to know the reasoning behind that. and why didn't GM use one for all the years they sold trucks with a 16.5" wheel? i was simply stating that if a guy runs 1/2 ton axles, chances are he is not going to put his truck in a situation where he is going to be off camber enough to pop a bead. save the money upgrade your axles then buy a set of bead lock wheels and go wheel the hell out it __________________ We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already.

03-14-2011, 06:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
AngleIron Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Member # 178825 Posts: 40	thanks for the good information and for being polite about it __________________ We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already.

03-14-2011, 08:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
mog-10 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Member # 147891 Location: Welches oregon Posts: 1,086	not all 16.5 wheels were designed to work with an insert. their are lots of people that 16.5 wheels with out an insert or a bead lock just don't air down problem solved. this thread was about 16.5 steel non bead lock wheels with a 6 lug on the cheap that this guy can run on his rig with some cheap 37in tires not one time did he say that he planned on airing down and going crawling

03-14-2011, 09:23 AM	#21 (permalink)
rockbuggy84 Gettin there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 45202 Location: Galt Ca Posts: 1,432	Not sure on your location but all over craigslist here in Ca they are about giving 16.5"s away every day. All the street qweens have been told by the tire shops you can no longer get tires for them and need new wheels. I have bought 3 sets of welds in the past year and the most I have paid was $225 for full set of Weld Mountain Crushers. Also I think this is would be a question for newbie discussion, to help not clutter up certain sections.

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