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Old 02-20-2012, 08:36 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I've been desert racing out west for a few years now with Score and BITD, great organizations by the way. What just boggles my simple mind is that Dave had racing going on all week, not just a day or two. Everything was so organized and on schedule. I was in the group that didn't do very well in the LCQ, so I'm very thankful that Dave let us in. We finished !! This was the experience of a life time, being able to race with the "professionals" of rock racing.

So thank you Dave Cole and all your volunteers for putting on such a smooth event and letting my group of hillbillies have such a great time. See yens next year for sure.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:37 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Thank YOU, Dave and HK.

This was by far the best year (my fourth) at KOH. There was action everyday all week (except Monday, so we preran), and having the addresses/gararge space for each racer was bad ass. Jumbo-tron, King of the Motos (holy FAWK!!!), EMC, etc.

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Buy a bigger lens and move back.
I disagree this is a viable solution to places like Chocolate thunder to keep yellow out of pictures. I agree it is a solution to high speed sections.

With a long lens (telephoto) you'd have 150 yellow vests in 1-2 spots on the course at choco thunder all fighting for the same exact shot. this in and of itself breeds its own problem. variation in lens and position allows a spread of people getting different shots. is it a bummer having 15,000 yellow vests in all my video? sure...thankfully for my photos i know photoshop well enough ..but IMHO a media section set back would kill any exclusivity in content that existed before. my job revolves around getting good/exclusive video/photo content from races, so its hard for me to fall in line behind having a "generic media section set back", hopefully thats understandable.

media people butting up against the course in high speed whoop sections are not excersizing good judgment, i agree, and theres no excuse for that, and it is unacceptable. we set up in pummel pass and i was 150 feet or so from course with a telephoto for video. however i witnessed media people during qualifying within 10 feet of the whoops on the backside of chocolate thunder. they were too far off for me to say anything from my position and how i was situated (steep hill side). some media people have good judgment out on the course, and others have no judgment, some have shot ultra4 countless times and understand what their surroundings are, some have never set foot at an off road race before. im not an event promoter and dont claim to have the answers at all, but i dont feel as though a zero tolerance policy applied to all media to suffer the consequences is the solution. King of the Hammers racing provides a unique opportunity to media, and I would hate to see that severely limited.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:30 AM   #29 (permalink)
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HK. , best race to date. It seemed from my perspective that is was the smoothest run yet. Their was a lot going on and the core of hk and the volunteers kicked ass. As far as CT goes I glad that you are post race holding the teams accountable that decided to disregard your drivers meeting rules regarding the high line. Be need to be accountable not just red cards from other drivers. Biggest point is best course to date
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:33 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Put numbers on media vests.

If someone is being a dumbass, they can be called out by number and not invited back.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Put numbers on media vests.

If someone is being a dumbass, they can be called out by number and not invited back.
Good idea.

Had a blast Dave. Thanks for the opportunity. Hopefully I'll be able to attend some more events this year.
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Online coverage was light years ahead of previous races! Great job. I hope to be racing again next year.

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Old 02-20-2012, 10:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I know that at least one of the media guys that got to close during qualifying got a talking to - I hope he learned something before coming to one of our races, if I get the attitude I heard he has he will be tossed

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Old 02-20-2012, 10:26 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Make media people qualify just like KOH racers. If they send in good photos during the year they can be on primary obstacles on course. If they do not qualify they can do desert duty. Just an idea.

Dave, it AMAZES me, and many others, what you have put together. I still have a hard time believing what you can assemble...in the middle of the desert!! I always have to put KOH in that context. Your accomplishment would be admirable in a big town with facilities available. The fact that you can put that level of show on on the lake bed is truly baffling. The level of organization and professionalism can not be matched.

It is a shame that you have to see the negatives and problems with the races, but I hope you can see the larger picture as well. We know that you need to deal with the issues, and they can be grating, but the overall success of the event far overshadows any small issues.

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This was my third year, 2nd as a vendor. The organization and planning this year was incredible.

Setting up this event soooo far from any running water, electriity etc, makes everything on the lakebed a challenge.

SHOWERS....we had 5 gallon water jugs at our booth and by day#3 people were buying them so they could take showers! We just had to set them in the sun till the water melted and warmed up a little
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Dave and HK. Freakin awesome putting it all together! I did not make down in 2011 and it's amazing to see the change between 09, 10 & 12!!! Wow!

Thanks again Dave for coming to our camp and telling me in person that we made the last LCQ spot. I don't know if you read my writeup in gen 4x4... but that was one of the coolest moments in my life to date! Thanks again Dave!!!
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first off, huge thanks to everyone at hammerking and the volunteers that made not just KOH, but the whole week a huge success. Here are my thoughts, in cliff notes;

Having a race nearly everyday was awesome. There was never a lul for spectators or even members of race teams that wanted to go see some action. I hope King of the Motos is always during KOH week, and keeps growing.

The hammerking addresses and layout was awesome. It stopped all chaos before chaos could break out. Great work. Was there a vender list with their addresses? If not, that would have been helpfull.

The CT traffic jam- I know you have already voiced your input. I agree that spectators can not be put in harms way and that any drivers that did should be penalized. HOWEVER, I think there needs to be a bypass line for every "gate keeper". Even if the bypass line is twice as hard as the gatekeeper and everyone will have to winch. Atleast when the course went up backdoor, there were alternate winch lines. Having 20 some odd cars at the bottom of CT doesn't create more competition unless there are crazy stupid bypass lines.

Spectator control - HUGE 2 thumbs up on this one. As a racer, there was only 1 instance where I felt a spectator was too close, and that was on lap 2 when we crossed Boone Road. We new the crossing was coming, we slowed down. It was a good thing, as a dirtbike ripped across us heading into hammertown. As far as everywhere else on the course, including all the rock canyons, this is the best it has ever been and should be a benchmark for all events in the future. Again, this aspect of the people management was perfect, and the racers appreciate it.

The first 15 miles of the race course - You can't control the dust, we know it is a part of racing. You can however, control the race course. Running for the first 12 miles or so of the race into the sunrise compounded the dust problem. Perhaps next year you could set up the course to run west or northwest out of hammertown so the sun is at our backs while we dig through the dust and allow cars to space out. Even if it is a small 15 mile loop that gives the pack time to spreadout and then loop backaround. It could be a first lap only type of bypass.
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I gotta say the jumbotron was absolutely awesome!!! I was amazed how fast the days action was edited and up! Also as an og v2r guy, hell yeah on the gear bag!!!
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first off, huge thanks to everyone at hammerking and the volunteers that made not just KOH, but the whole week a huge success. Here are my thoughts, in cliff notes;

Having a race nearly everyday was awesome. There was never a lul for spectators or even members of race teams that wanted to go see some action. I hope King of the Motos is always during KOH week, and keeps growing.

The hammerking addresses and layout was awesome. It stopped all chaos before chaos could break out. Great work. Was there a vender list with their addresses? If not, that would have been helpfull.

The CT traffic jam- I know you have already voiced your input. I agree that spectators can not be put in harms way and that any drivers that did should be penalized. HOWEVER, I think there needs to be a bypass line for every "gate keeper". Even if the bypass line is twice as hard as the gatekeeper and everyone will have to winch. Atleast when the course went up backdoor, there were alternate winch lines. Having 20 some odd cars at the bottom of CT doesn't create more competition unless there are crazy stupid bypass lines.

Spectator control - HUGE 2 thumbs up on this one. As a racer, there was only 1 instance where I felt a spectator was too close, and that was on lap 2 when we crossed Boone Road. We new the crossing was coming, we slowed down. It was a good thing, as a dirtbike ripped across us heading into hammertown. As far as everywhere else on the course, including all the rock canyons, this is the best it has ever been and should be a benchmark for all events in the future. Again, this aspect of the people management was perfect, and the racers appreciate it.

The first 15 miles of the race course - You can't control the dust, we know it is a part of racing. You can however, control the race course. Running for the first 12 miles or so of the race into the sunrise compounded the dust problem. Perhaps next year you could set up the course to run west or northwest out of hammertown so the sun is at our backs while we dig through the dust and allow cars to space out. Even if it is a small 15 mile loop that gives the pack time to spreadout and then loop backaround. It could be a first lap only type of bypass.
One last thing I forgot. This was a suggestion from my local board. I can't remember how many cameras were on the course for race day (I think 5?). His suggestion is that each camera had it's own unique IP, so the viewer at home could switch from one camera to the other in hopes to track down their favorite racer for the whole race, instead of only watching the one feed that jumped from camera to camera. I'm surethat would take a huge infrastructure to broadcsat 5 IPs, but I think it would be sweet for the web wheeler to be able to pick and choose the camera view and track a driver.
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I have to agree on the media thing we had a good spectator spot at chocolate thunder we got there nice and early only to have 3-4 media guys stand right in our photo area they should be made to stay on other side of the spectator area or join us behind the the line I have probably 75-100took shots with a yellow jacket in the pic.
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What is your photo area? Is that the same area I worked to have a credential for for my accredited outlet?

Not to be abrasive (seriously, not trying to sound like an ass) but I am there doing a job that my livelihood relies on in full, KOH isnt a hobby shoot for me. To expect media to have to stand somewhere that doesnt affect you somehow, or to be in spectator areas defeats the entire purpose of approved event media.

I was a "media guy" standing in spectators way at times, I am sorry to hear people were potentially upset about it, but I am just doing my job. Its hard enough staying out of the way of the course and getting the shot I need during the day, while trying to stay out of the vision line of 5,000 spectators at any given second. I have 2000+ photos with yellow jackets in them in photos from my team, thats what happens when there are 260 media people at an event with a few hot spots. We have shot Ultra4 races a lot, if a yellow vest is in my way I move, or I just deal with it. I am honestly surprised it bothers people as much as it does, it was always something I just took in stride and figured was a nature of the beast.
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suggestion is that each camera had it's own unique IP, so the viewer at home could switch from one camera to the other in hopes to track down their favorite racer for the whole race, instead of only watching the one feed that jumped from camera to camera. I'm surethat would take a huge infrastructure to broadcsat 5 IPs, ...
Awesome!!

I would be very interested in hearing Travis' take on this.
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What is your photo area? Is that the same area I worked to have a credential for for my accredited outlet?

Not to be abrasive (seriously, not trying to sound like an ass) but I am there doing a job that my livelihood relies on in full. To expect media to have to stand somewhere that doesnt affect you somehow, or to be in spectator areas defeats the entire purpose of approved event media.

I was a "media guy" standing in spectators way at times, I am sorry to hear people were potentially upset about it, but I am just doing my job. Its hard enough staying out of the way of the course and getting the shot I need during the day, while trying to stay out of the vision line of 5,000 spectators at any given second. I have 2000+ photos with yellow jackets in them in photos from my team, thats what happens when there are 260 media people at an event with a few hot spots. We have shot Ultra4 races a lot, if a yellow vest is in my way I move, or I just deal with it. I am honestly surprised it bothers people as much as it does, it was always something I just took in stride and figured was a nature of the beast.
Without people like Will, you would have no KOH video.
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Not to be abrasive (seriously, not trying to sound like an ass) but I am there doing a job that my livelihood relies on in full, KOH isnt a hobby shoot for me. To expect media to have to stand somewhere that doesnt affect you somehow, or to be in spectator areas defeats the entire purpose of approved event media.

I was a "media guy" standing in spectators way at times, I am sorry to hear people were potentially upset about it, but I am just doing my job. Its hard enough staying out of the way of the course and getting the shot I need during the day, while trying to stay out of the vision line of 5,000 spectators at any given second. I have 2000+ photos with yellow jackets in them in photos from my team, thats what happens when there are 260 media people at an event with a few hot spots. We have shot Ultra4 races a lot, if a yellow vest is in my way I move, or I just deal with it. I am honestly surprised it bothers people as much as it does, it was always something I just took in stride and figured was a nature of the beast.
Well put Will. I apologize in advance for probably being in shot at Outer Limits..... Looking forward to seeing what you got.
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