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4466 · 02-23-2012, 01:48 PM

Just recieved an email from Ultra 4. A 30 minute penalty has been given to several drivers for cutting the course on Chocolate Thunder. Whats next will IRC data be looked at also?

slvregl · 02-23-2012, 01:53 PM

Isn't that the point of having the IRC so that everyone has to do the same course. Without the tracker many racers could do short cuts to improve position and times. I don't have a problem with them reviewing all the data before announcing positions.

lxh0318 · 02-23-2012, 02:15 PM

It was for skipping the gate keeper at chocolate thunder which put spectators, media, and drivers below them at risk. We were told at the drivers meeting not to take that line or we would be DQ'd so I tihink they got off good. Believe me I would have rather not sat in line for 30 minutes and by passed that stupid rock that I can't climb to save my life.

miniwally · 02-23-2012, 02:16 PM

I think IRC data is kind of an instant thing/ as soon as they plug the box in and down load it they can see it.

This is specifically for the ~150' at the entrance to Chocolate Thunder, and the High left Line that was taken by apparently 7 competitors.

I was out of the car when this was going on and it was bad from the course side, I wasn't on the spectator side of the bypass but I know that one of the Beebe brothers(AKA Griffin) almost got smacked by the first car to take that line. The second car got tangled up in the winch line that was trying to get the car that was broken out of the way. In general a lot of Rectal Cranial inversion shit was going down and the BLM could have stopped the race right then.

Having been there, on the ground and literally hiding behind the broken car from debris and thrown sand I can say where I was at was not safe.

You were already through CT when this went down so it might be news to you, or you have only seen it on the videos so real world accounts were taken into review, the video which is pretty alarming from the few videos I have found and this is the result.

I hate that Dave has to do this but I understand why he has to as well. It is a bummer but maybe a good example that we as racers need to start ad-hearing to a code of conduct during these backups. Be a sportsman and keep your place in line, don't try to pass 20 cars sitting still waiting to prove your better BUT most of all GET YOUR DAMN CO DOG OUT OF THE CAR, SEND HIM TO THE FRONT AND TELL HIM TO GET THE MESS CLEANED UP SO YOU CAN GO.

Dave shouldn't have to show up to spot when there's a backup. This is two years now, both years I got up there helped the guys in front of me, got my car through and peeled out. In the end it didn't take too much time, still more than we wanted but I can guarantee you it was less than if I had pulled out a sandwich and just watched as most did. BENDER I know you are one of the exceptions.

If every car that was stopped at Chocolate Thunder would have done this the back up would have taken less than half the time it did. 3 trys winch, one guy flails on the obstacle for at least 15 minutes and not one other guy says hey stop just winch up. That car cost everyone behind him 15 minutes so he could be cool and not winch.

Yes I watched every second of the u-stream video several times looking specifically at the time period that all bypasses were taken. I could have been issued a time penalty as well for the alternate line after the gate keeper, so i had an interest in seeing exactly who, when, where and why things went on. Fortunately the CRB saw things the same way I did and we weren't penalized.

lxh0318 · 02-23-2012, 02:24 PM

Watch the video at 4:32 and make your own judgment.
2012 King of the Hammers video highlights - YouTube

HeavyMetalXJ · 02-23-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

Watch the video at 4:32 and make your own judgment.

It also cuts off right before Casey Currie takes the same line and cuts across getting all tangled in strung winch rope being used in the recovery of the trail plug rig. I have watched our footage a million times of this...crazy

LarryS · 02-23-2012, 02:27 PM

http://offroadpress.com/2012/02/hamm...ime-penelties/

Renee · 02-23-2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

Watch the video at 4:32 and make your own judgment.
2012 King of the Hammers video highlights - YouTube

Was that Casey?

Renee · 02-23-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyMetalXJ

It also cuts off right before Casey Currie takes the same line and cuts across getting all tangled in strung winch rope being used in the recovery of the trail plug rig. I have watched our footage a million times of this...crazy

Ah, ok. So who was it before Casey?

HeavyMetalXJ · 02-23-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renee

Ah, ok. So who was it before Casey?

4480 Bill Phillips

lxh0318 · 02-23-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renee

Ah, ok. So who was it before Casey?

Bill Phillips

TCARP1 · 02-23-2012, 02:32 PM

I think this is a good thing to have, although ct was freaking easy, I really wanted to be a douche and bypass everyone around the pirate van and go up while the rest flailed around.

TCARP1 · 02-23-2012, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

Bill Phillips

Bill also almost short courses coming down boulder dash (I think) but backed out when I waved off to the right way.

Jeff Knoll · 02-23-2012, 02:37 PM

They are lucky its only 30 Minutes.

Renee · 02-23-2012, 02:41 PM

What about the two lines at the beginning of the race? Why were no penalties given there?

lxh0318 · 02-23-2012, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renee

What about the two lines at the beginning of the race? Why were no penalties given there?

I don't think there is any way to prove who did and didn't do that, there was people still doing it on the second lap.

Renee · 02-23-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

I don't think there is any way to prove who did and didn't do that, there was people still doing it on the second lap.

You think they were too close for IRC to know the difference?

TCARP1 · 02-23-2012, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

I don't think there is any way to prove who did and didn't do that, there was people still doing it on the second lap.

I still don't know if I went the right way off the start! I just followed you!

miniwally · 02-23-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renee

What about the two lines at the beginning of the race? Why were no penalties given there?

Honestly I think that this penalty area is because of the proximity to the crowd. The starting line issue was far enough out there that I think it was a non issue from a safety standpoint.

Now the time standpoint is another issue but I can't speak to that as we got the "follow the god damn course that's shown on your GPS" lecture loud and clear from Dave right before we started. So we did

wasn't that hard so I don't know what the issue was with those guys that couldn't look at the GPS

BigWoodyWag · 02-23-2012, 02:51 PM

Good job KOH CRB. This one got called right.
Only thing I was surprised of is that it was only 30min. That doesnt seem punitive to me. If the guilty waited in the line at CT it would have been 30min, I'd expect to see their wait time PLUS a punitive additional time adder.

None the less, good this got handed down to show the BLM that driving violations wont be taken lightly.

MT TUBEKRAFTER · 02-23-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWoodyWag

Good job KOH CRB. This one got called right.
Only thing I was surprised of is that it was only 30min. That doesnt seem punitive to me. If the guilty waited in the line at CT it would have been 30min, I'd expect to see their wait time PLUS a punitive additional time adder.

None the less, good this got handed down to show the BLM that driving violations wont be taken lightly.

I agree with this it should have been the wait time plus the penalty time of 30 min. to be a true penalty

broncolou · 02-23-2012, 03:07 PM

Outcome was MORE than fair.

biffgnar · 02-23-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

Watch the video at 4:32 and make your own judgment.
2012 King of the Hammers video highlights - YouTube

That's a good clip but if you go to Youtube there is some spectator video shot from right below the gatekeeper that pretty much shows it all.

Danger Ranger · 02-23-2012, 03:55 PM

The Ustream feeds...

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20349122

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20351990

MY56CJ6 · 02-23-2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxh0318

Watch the video at 4:32 and make your own judgment.
2012 King of the Hammers video highlights - YouTube

If it was said directly in the drivers meeting NOT to take that line.....I think a DQ is in order. That could have turned REALLY bad really fast.

02-23-2012, 01:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
4466 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2012 Member # 210727 Posts: 9	Official scoring correction following competition review board assessment 2012 KOH Just recieved an email from Ultra 4. A 30 minute penalty has been given to several drivers for cutting the course on Chocolate Thunder. Whats next will IRC data be looked at also?

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02-23-2012, 02:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
miniwally Granite Guru Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29513 Location: Glenwood Springs, Co Posts: 782	I think IRC data is kind of an instant thing/ as soon as they plug the box in and down load it they can see it. This is specifically for the ~150' at the entrance to Chocolate Thunder, and the High left Line that was taken by apparently 7 competitors. I was out of the car when this was going on and it was bad from the course side, I wasn't on the spectator side of the bypass but I know that one of the Beebe brothers(AKA Griffin) almost got smacked by the first car to take that line. The second car got tangled up in the winch line that was trying to get the car that was broken out of the way. In general a lot of Rectal Cranial inversion shit was going down and the BLM could have stopped the race right then. Having been there, on the ground and literally hiding behind the broken car from debris and thrown sand I can say where I was at was not safe. You were already through CT when this went down so it might be news to you, or you have only seen it on the videos so real world accounts were taken into review, the video which is pretty alarming from the few videos I have found and this is the result. I hate that Dave has to do this but I understand why he has to as well. It is a bummer but maybe a good example that we as racers need to start ad-hearing to a code of conduct during these backups. Be a sportsman and keep your place in line, don't try to pass 20 cars sitting still waiting to prove your better BUT most of all GET YOUR DAMN CO DOG OUT OF THE CAR, SEND HIM TO THE FRONT AND TELL HIM TO GET THE MESS CLEANED UP SO YOU CAN GO. Dave shouldn't have to show up to spot when there's a backup. This is two years now, both years I got up there helped the guys in front of me, got my car through and peeled out. In the end it didn't take too much time, still more than we wanted but I can guarantee you it was less than if I had pulled out a sandwich and just watched as most did. BENDER I know you are one of the exceptions. If every car that was stopped at Chocolate Thunder would have done this the back up would have taken less than half the time it did. 3 trys winch, one guy flails on the obstacle for at least 15 minutes and not one other guy says hey stop just winch up. That car cost everyone behind him 15 minutes so he could be cool and not winch. Yes I watched every second of the u-stream video several times looking specifically at the time period that all bypasses were taken. I could have been issued a time penalty as well for the alternate line after the gate keeper, so i had an interest in seeing exactly who, when, where and why things went on. Fortunately the CRB saw things the same way I did and we weren't penalized.

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TCARP1 "Racing for Access" Join Date: Feb 2007 Member # 86691 Location: Orangevale, CA Posts: 1,676	I think this is a good thing to have, although ct was freaking easy, I really wanted to be a douche and bypass everyone around the pirate van and go up while the rest flailed around. __________________ KOH and BITD Competitor #4405 FISHMOUTH FABWORKS MASTER-PULL Recovery gear Pacific Fab, Ruffstuff Specialties, Reid Racing, Team Tube, Raceline Wheels, Goodyear Tires, Yukon Gear, 4130 Clothing, Blue Torch Fab, Artec, Bulldog, PRP, Concept Wraps

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BigWoodyWag Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26468 Location: Land O' Sugar, Tejas Posts: 4,414	Good job KOH CRB. This one got called right. Only thing I was surprised of is that it was only 30min. That doesnt seem punitive to me. If the guilty waited in the line at CT it would have been 30min, I'd expect to see their wait time PLUS a punitive additional time adder. None the less, good this got handed down to show the BLM that driving violations wont be taken lightly. __________________ Triple Nickel Racing, Lead Foot Syndicate & TGTW Lemons Racing 555race on TWITTER

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