New UROC "Super Stock" class!

[Jaffer]

See ... http://www.uroc.com

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2003 UROC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP ROCK CRAWLING RULES

VEHICLE CLASS BUILD REQUIREMENTS

1. SUPER STOCK CLASS (EFFECTIVE 8-30-03)

1.1 TIRES
Maximum tire size is 35"or 315/75/16, based on manufactures sidewall stamping (see section 19).
1.2 STEERING
Super Stock class is limited to hydraulic assist of stock type components. Rear steer or full hydraulic steering is not allowed.
1.3 FRAME
Frames must be OEM, or aftermarket OEM design, boxed or semi boxed ladder type mainframe made of magnetic steel (see section 22). Frame modifications are not allowed, including cutting holes in the frame for custom brackets. Body and frame type must match vehicle title.
1.4 BODY
Full recognizable bodies i.e. Jeep, Toyota, Ford, Chevrolet, I.H. etc., are required. Some trimming of body allowed such as fenders and corner panels. No tubbing of rear fender wells allowed. All flooring and firewalls must be fully intact. Front fender wells may be omitted.
1.5 RADIATOR
Radiators must be in factory position and covered, so that in the event of a break in the radiator or hoses, spectators, spotters
and drivers are protected from the coolant spray and spill (see section 11).
1.6 SEATING
Vehicles must have two (2) seats side by side.
1.7 SUSPENSION
Stock configuration suspension designs required. Example: leaf from factory, leaf for competition, IFS from factory, IFS for
competition, coil/leaf from factory, coil/leaf for competition, etc.. Double shackle or coil over systems are not allowed.
Shackle reversal approved for leaf springs. No limitation on suspension attachment point measurements, but overall
wheelbase MUST remain +- 3 inches of stock. Manual controlled suspension systems not allowed.

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[randii]

On a conservative reading, this looks like just another de facto TJ-only class. The only significant nod I see for non-TJs is permitting shackle-reversal. At least they didn't allow long-arm suspensions for TJs and then disallow longer leaves for others.

Reading more aggressively, I wonder...
Frame modifications are not allowed, including cutting holes in the frame for custom brackets.
No limitation on suspension attachment point measurements, but overall wheelbase MUST remain +- 3 inches of stock.
Can I weld custom brackets *TO* the frame without cutting holes or changing the frame? If so, then this could be a bit more exciting...

I guess there's a market for it, but I'd love to see something that encourages non-Jeeps to compete, and these rules, IMHO, don't.

Randii (who knows that rule-making is hard, but still struggles)

[Jaffer]

Randii-
I spoke to Craig Stump this morning about exactly that ...
Weld-on brackets and suff is OK. They are just trying to keep out chopped up, lengthened, straightened or otherwise drastically altered framework.
The wording needs improvment ... the frame rule was mostly a reaction from competitors against similar mods made to the "She-J" legends class champ.
When asked this morning I wrote and suggested the rule read ...
"Modifications to the length or contours of, narrowing, or cutting into frame side rails for custom brackets is not allowed."
... and also said that I felt this (my) new suggested wording should prohibit most of the “funny stuff” people will come up with including straightening, lengthening, shortening, narrowing, and chopping for new coil cans but will allow for custom add on suspension and other brackets, cross members for steering and shocks, skid plates, bumpers, etc.

[nobody20]

I still dont get the prohibition against double shackles.

This is the one rule that always keeps me out of these types of classes. The rule is IMHO.

I agree with Randii about the long arm TJ rule gives unfair advantage. Even with my rear double shackles I am still disadvantaged. I also agree with Randii about "Jeep" type vehicles. The courses will undobtedly be setup for CJ-7, YJ, and TJ wheelbase leaving the shorter and longer at severe disadvantage.

[Jaffer]

Originally posted by nobody20
The courses will undobtedly be setup for CJ-7, YJ, and TJ wheelbase leaving the shorter and longer at severe disadvantage.

I beg to differ ...
You should have seen Team Waggoner clean everyone's clock in thier yellow CJ-5 on the super technical Pro-ROCK coarses in Farmington last weekend.
It was practically a brake-turn burn fest with horrable off-camber twists.
I'll soon post pics of my 2 rolls in a stock wheelbased CJ-7, which neither might have happened had my wheel base been shorter.



And, I don't remember ANY really long wheel based vehicles doing well in the many competitions I've witnessed.

IMHO: You can save those super droopy double shackle suspensions for the ramp.

[Big Rich]

When we used those same rules last year, the double shackle mean't one on each end of the leaf, many thought we mean't a double set up on one end of the leaf.

Rich

[nobody20]

Originally posted by Jaffer


I beg to differ ...
You should have seen Team Waggoner clean everyone's clock in thier yellow CJ-5 on the super technical Pro-ROCK coarses in Farmington last weekend.
It was practically a brake-turn burn fest with horrable off-camber twists.
I'll soon post pics of my 2 rolls in a stock wheelbased CJ-7, which neither might have happened had my wheel base been shorter.



And, I don't remember ANY really long wheel based vehicles doing well in the many competitions I've witnessed.

IMHO: You can save those super droopy double shackle suspensions for the ramp.

I really appreciate the posting of the latest rules/issues in the various sanctioning bodies.

I can hardly wait to see your pictures of Pro-Rock Farmington. Your pics are always of the highest quality.

IMHO most sanction bodies', especially RCAA, courses favor longer wheelbases in the 104" range. Some events are still technical though - Big Rich had a great event in Phoenix that was very technical and seemed to be equally fair for all wheelbases.

I also thought Pro-Rock had adopted the "We won't roll you policy." I guess not since you had two rolls.

I have been noting Team Waggoner's winning ways for the past year. I have been very encouraged that a "shorty" could do this. However, I still feel that most events favor a longer wheelbase.

I would like for classes like Super Stock to allow Sami's and the like to be equally competitive. IMHO it is fine for the classes that have the true purpose-built buggy to have courses that are competitive for a narrow range of wheelbases, as individuals will build these buggies to fit the desired purpose.

Below is a pic of my double shackle. Guess I wouldn't fit in Super Stock not only because of the double shackle, but because I cut holes in the frame for the upper shackle mounting. Never had any problems with my super droopy suspension - IMHO they work just fine if done properly.

I am anxiously awaiting watching the Super Stock class in Cedar City on 10-12 July.

[Brawler]

The super stock class is a UROC thing and the comp in cedar 10-12 july is an RRCA event. Do they have the same classes now? I bought a 74 blazer for a hondo and am going to build it for my wife to compete in. Only mods will be a ff14 bolt for the rear and some gear and lockers. Gonna use the stock t-case and tranny and front axle. Not out to win, just to have fun. That will put her in the sissy stock class wont it?

[nobody20]

Originally posted by Brawler
The super stock class is a UROC thing and the comp in cedar 10-12 july is an RRCA event.

Thanks, I got confused when I was looking at my events calendar. Probably too many

I had UROC down for the following week but now I see that UROC is having its finals July 4-5 in Farmington.

[tommybronco]

i could also see an eb being fairly competative too. Longer arms and a crunched up body to make it narrow

[RedBullJeep]

Anybody claiming that the Stock-Mod / Super Stock rules mean a TJ will win, obviously has not followed the stock-mod results over the last couple of years...Leaf-springs have won over 80% of the top 3 positions in that class...I bet it's closer to 90%.

[Lance]

Originally posted by RedBullJeep
Leaf-springs have won over 80% of the top 3 positions in that class...I bet it's closer to 90%.

I'd say at LEAST 90%.

[randii]

Anybody claiming that the Stock-Mod / Super Stock rules mean a TJ will win...
Nope, nope, nope.... I said it favored TJs to *compete*. That's closer to the truth, no?

A step back... if you don't like TJ Class how 'bout we call it SWB Jeep class? What I said a few posts further up: "I'd love to see something that encourages non-Jeeps to compete, and these rules, IMHO, don't."

Hard to say whether the rules favor a certain class of participants and that drives the vehicles that show... or whether the vehicles that show drive the rules. Chicken or the egg, but I sure would like to see something other than:
1.) dedicated tube buggies
2.) SWB Jeeps.
Call me a dreamer.

Randii ( who parks a mean Amigo )