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Old 09-08-2003, 11:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jack's cartwheel @ NEUROC Video

Glad he's ok.

http://www.foxfab4x4.com/NEUROC/Sept...s/MOV00452.MPG
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Old 09-08-2003, 11:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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so why was the gas pinned.. mechnical malfunction or did he get knocked out.. If he was turning the tires i could see him pinning the gas trying to right it, but it was just sitting there full throttle
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Jack was knocked unconcious for a few minutes due to the impact. He had scratches on his helmet also so he did hit something with his head. I was one of the guys that helped get him out and was the guy who drove the ambulance to the scene when everyone got "moth to the lightbulb" syndrome. My best guess would be that his foot and body went limp and pushed the skinny pedal to the metal.
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Yeah, ive seen it happen. I work for one of the west coast Rockcrawling Leagues. Even tho the guy wont admit he was knocked silly for a second. Fun listening to a YJ with a Cobra SVT 5.0 in it, bouncing off the rev limiter as he's doing 3 rolls down a hill
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Yeah, ive seen it happen. I work for one of the west coast Rockcrawling Leagues. Even tho the guy wont admit he was knocked silly for a second. Fun listening to a YJ with a Cobra SVT 5.0 in it, bouncing off the rev limiter as he's doing 3 rolls down a hill
Yeah, he was out and limp after the 1st roll, so lucky it was in nuetral cuz I think it woulda climbed into the crowd or atleast hurt someone
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It was not in nuetral. The driver front left a nice donut on the rock it was on.

It took a bit for the judges to find the cut off and finally dove inside and hit the driver kill switch......
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It was not in nuetral. The driver front left a nice donut on the rock it was on.

It took a bit for the judges to find the cut off and finally dove inside and hit the driver kill switch......
We were talking about the guy who rolled on my course last year at an event
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It took a bit for the judges to find the cut off and finally dove inside and hit the driver kill switch......
Some of the promoters should take this into consideration. I think the master switches should be mounted to the grill or rear or the vehicle(depending where the battery is mounted) to make it easier for the judges to kill the power in this situation. Putting the master on the dash is just STUPID, if the driver in still concous he/she can just turn the key/ignition switch off.

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I agree, make it like drag racing, where there's a predetermined spot for it.
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Putting the master on the dash is just STUPID, if the driver in still concous he/she can just turn the key/ignition switch off.

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I agree.. Id really hate to reach inside a rig to turn it off if its going full steam. All it would take is for the sidewall of the tire or something to grab, and it would be goodnight for me.
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The rules state that if it is fuel injected, they need a cutoff. I think the guy just did not know where it was. Which, brings up the point that maybe the judges have a responsibility to know where it is when the vehicle starts.

Don't get me wrong though-- the staff at NEUROC did a great job making sure Jack was extracted, and no additional damage was done. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback this, but when it counted, the staff did a great job and with this experience, they will be able to do an even better job if called upon.
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Ian, the west coast Tree Nazi judge always asks each competitor where their kill switch is and also asks them to show how his/her seatbelt realeases. Though he's a nazi about this stuff, we need all officials to take a few anal lessons from him as things would be safer and more consistant. It only takes a second for them to ask and even though he knows me and my rig well, he still asks every time...truely a judge that does a complete job of judging.
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NEUROC rules state that the kill switch must be opposite the engine and be readily accessible to anyone outside of the truck. Not everyone follows this though.

As for the judges, on any obstacle where there is a better than average chance of me going on my lid, the judge verified where my kill switch was before I started. But, this is only the judge at the start gate, so the other 3 on the courses still have no clue where it is. Communications between each judge on a course needs to be looked at. Shouting doesnt always work.
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NEUROC rules state that the kill switch must be opposite the engine and be readily accessible to anyone outside of the truck. Not everyone follows this though.
Last time I read their rules(I just went to recheck to see if they changed it but the site seems down), it stated must be at either the front or the rear. There are potential problems with any location you put it... It could have just as easily been at the rear of the rig and up against a rock and not accessible....

Bottom line: I am glad Jack is OK.
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NEUROC rules state that the kill switch must be opposite the engine and be readily accessible to anyone outside of the truck. Not everyone follows this though.
Yeah tell me about it. Our first time at Neuroc the "judges" went over my rig with a fine toothed comb pointing out everything they could think of, most of which I had to break out the rule book and prove them wrong. Then you get the guys that have been there that they know that barely have to go thru tech. I bet half the rigs run a kill switch that complies with the rules
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Old 09-10-2003, 10:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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There are some issues that are being worked out, remember this was the first real season that NEUROC existed and the last comp was the best because the people who run it learned from the prior two. This event will also bring more learning to the table and I am sure the judges will be more aware of kill switches next year.
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The vid is good - too bad MR CLEAN's head was in the way for the final landing.

This wasn't Jacks first roll on that obstacle, but hopefully the LAST!! Third times' the charm Jack!
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From NEUROC website. Looks like they're updating things:

All vehicles using electrical fuel pumps must be equipped with a battery cutoff switch. The switch must be located on either end of the vehicle (front or rear) as far from the engine as possible and accessible to the spotter and course workers.

The way Kyle explained this to me on the NEUROC BBS is if your engine is in the front, then the switch must be in the rear. If the engine is in the rear, then your switch must be in the front. Plain and simple.


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Last time I read their rules(I just went to recheck to see if they changed it but the site seems down), it stated must be at either the front or the rear. There are potential problems with any location you put it... It could have just as easily been at the rear of the rig and up against a rock and not accessible....

Bottom line: I am glad Jack is OK.
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Yeah, he was out and limp after the 1st roll, so lucky it was in nuetral cuz I think it woulda climbed into the crowd or atleast hurt someone
No, I was not out, I watched everything all the way to the final stop.
No, I was not limp, but I was being tossed around like a rag doll.
No, It was not luck that it was out of gear, I purposely slammed it out of gear, when I realized I was in trouble.
I reached for the ignition too, but in its old location, it was nearly impossible to reach once I started trying to brace myself.
The reason a rig often revs out of control once the roll starts is because the driver tenses up for the impact. If the drivers foot is on the throttle when the roll starts, its very hard to lift his foot off of it untill he can relaxe a bit.
With my cut off where it is located now, right next to me on a console on my right hand side. I can easily slam the shifter out of gear, and hit the cut off even in a turbulent situation. In a recent rollover(again on James course), it worked great. When I came to a stop on my wheels, I was able to just fire the rig back up and keep going,..... once everyone was satisfied I was fine.
I also have a 5 point harness now,...although I only tighten them for really crazy obstacles.
I think all of the sanctioning competitions are learning from experience, and the rigs are becomming safer all the time.

Personally my rollover looked pretty spectacullar but, it really wasnt that bad. I was able to continue competing that day and actually had one of the better scores of the day on the next obstacle.

Jacks roll looked pretty scarry, Im glad he was ok.
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. I can easily slam the shifter out of gear, and hit the cut off even in a turbulent situation. In a recent rollover(again on James course), it worked great.
Yeah i noticed it shut off when you rolled in fernly.. i bet you loved me working the stock mods last event didnt ya? Well dont worry, ill be back on promod hopefully down in JV
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too bad MR CLEAN's head was in the way for the final landing.
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you are such an azz

Never once did you think that it could be someone on this board reading this thread did you?
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Ian, the west coast Tree Nazi judge always asks each competitor where their kill switch is and also asks them to show how his/her seatbelt realeases. Though he's a nazi about this stuff, we need all officials to take a few anal lessons from him as things would be safer and more consistant. It only takes a second for them to ask and even though he knows me and my rig well, he still asks every time...truely a judge that does a complete job of judging.
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This guy was at Pro-Rock at the ranch wasnt he? USMC tatoo on his calf? Yes, he is very thorough.
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