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Old 04-01-2012, 11:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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best in the desert ?

does anyone on here do the best int he desert races? if so is there anyway you can give me some pointers on how to get started in it? i would really like to get into the desert racing and possibly races like king of the hammers.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What kinda of info are you looking for? do you already have a vehicle you want to race, or looking to purchase something?
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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im actually lookin into building a tube chassis buggy and wondering if they can run in the bitd. it would be more of a crawler lookin thing but i would just really like to get into racing.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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wat kind of axles do they run? wat kind of engines/trans?
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Im no pro when it comes to the 4400 (rock crawler class) but ill help with what i can. As long as it meets all the safety requirements like tubing material, wall thickness, correct design, gussets etc and has all the safety equipment like window nets, 5pt harness, fuel cell etc you can race. I dont believe there are any motor regulations, but dont quote me on that.

9" style rear axles are definitely the most common set up in desert racing. a full floater is a nice thing to have, but not a necessity unless you start breaking axles. Front axles i really dont know to much about.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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thanks alot! you have helped me alot
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Where are you from? There's some great local series with lower entry fees to get you started racing. BITD is great but is expensive and not always the best place for a newbie to learn.

To race a crawler in BITD they usually fit into 3 or maybe 4 classes. 4400 as stated above, you have to meet the ultra 4 rules posted in the ultra 4 ruble book, unlimited buggy (I think it's the 1500 class) if it doesn't look like anything, trick truck (I think it's the 1400 class) if it looks like a truck/ jeep, or sportsman. For sportsman the only requirements are you pass the safety rules and there's a lower entry fee but no prize purse for the class either, this is a good class to get your feet wet at a reduced fee.

It's worth attending a race and contigency/ tech the day before the race to get some experiance.

Here's a shameless plug: Baja pits provides pit support for all of the BITD races, their pits have a crew ready to help, welder, tools, fluids, air, and they will transport spare tires and fuel to the pit locations. For a race like Vegas to Reno they had 10 pit locatins last year or roughly a pit every 50 miles, I believe it was around $500 + fuel. For the mint 400 they had 3 pit locations over the 90 mile loop.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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im up in nyssa oregon right on the border of oregon and idaho iv been trying to get on the rule book for the ultra 4 class for the bitd but it will not come up wat is the name of your local series? ill look into it
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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BITD refers back to the Ultra4 Rules for the class requirements. Then to there own general safety rules.

Build teh car to fit Ultra4 it will pass BITD tech.
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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ok sweet the ultra4 website is the only place i can get the rule book to come up but the only ones it says are stock, modified and unlimited?
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Bonneville Off Road Racing has races in Northern Nevada and has an ultra 4 class at some of the races. They are a little more open with the rules if it's a "truck" 6 cylinders race class 7, V-8's race class 8 with very little restrictions to get class counts up.

http://www.borracing.org/

KOH has 3 classes

Stock Class 4600: Full body and frame, stock block, stock trans housing, open t-case and axles, same style suspension as stock, 35" DOT tires, single 2.5" shocks, no coil overs unless factory.

Modfied Class 4500: Must look like a production 4x4, some stock frame rail stuffed in some where, 2.5" shocks mounted directly to the axle, Open motor/ trans/ t-case/ axles, 37" Dot tires

Unlimtied Class 4400: Open besides it must have a t-case with low range.

I'm pretty sure if you showed up with a stock or modified rig at a BITD race you could either race in it's particular class or race a limited rig in 4400.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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if you are planning a full tube 4400 car it would be in the unlimited category.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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thank you barrelroll im gonna try and make it down to one of there races this year and see how things go
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:10 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm confused, do you want to run Ultra4 or BITD? There are tons of experts on here re: Ultra4 for sure, I race 1400, 1500, and 1900 in BITD and would agree that, as stated above, you may be well advised to "get your feet wet" in a regional series. You may want to look into HDRA as it's closer to home for you and seems to be a great organization that is growing with some phenomenal events. .02
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Here is the BOR schedule: http://borracing.org/index.php?optio...tpage&Itemid=1

You should try to attend the Caliente 250 (combined race with SNORE) on June 8-9th, or as stated above, check out the HDRA race in Reno before the rush to race with BITD. I also remember reading some talk about desert racing in Oregon on RDC that you may want to look into. Basically, the advise is to go to a few races and see what is out there before you decide what car/truck you want to run and the commitment (both time and $) to actually do it.
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thanks howyadoin nice pic by the way. the bitd and koh were the only ones that i had heard bout and iv been wanting to do this since i was a little kid but i like the idea of the starting small and building up. i would like to build a ultra4 class because i would also be using it to go out to the desert where im at nd doin the hill climbs and goin through the rocks
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shoyrtt mind tellin me wat rdc stands for? all my laptop comes up with is computer stuff
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shoyrtt mind tellin me wat rdc stands for? all my laptop comes up with is computer stuff
RDC = Race-dezert.com
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shoyrtt mind tellin me wat rdc stands for? all my laptop comes up with is computer stuff
race-dezert.com is RDC.
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If you want to be competive I hope you have cubic dollars. The rig is the cheap part. Prep (getting the car ready) for each race is isn't cheap. I know the 10 car I pit for takes 40-100 hours to prep for the next race depending on what broke at the last race + a fair amount of money and it's only 2wd with about 200 hp and 33 inch tires. I'm going to guess a super budget team spends a minium of 10 grand on KOH to prep the car, fuel, some where to stay, food, entry fees, tow rig and race car fuel. Big money teams probably spend 5 times that and have a dedicated pre runner so they don't destroy the race car prior to the race.

No matter what the entry fee/ distance it seems the 10 car needs almost the same amount of prep time/ money wise.

If you just want to race into the desert look into class 9, class 11, or sportsman. Prep will still not be cheap but they are much more affordable than a full blown ultra 4 car.

There's 3 reasons why there's almost no 4x4 race cars in the desert besides ultra 4 cars: Weight, prep cots, and complexity/ things to go wrong.
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the race dezert.com comes up but trying ot get anywhere else on the page it comes up server error? adn barrel roll i do realize that it will be expensive but im wanting to build a car like that even if i wasnt going to race it. i would take it to the desert where i live and go play around do the hill climbs and go up into the rocky canyons, and also up to teh mountain trails. either way im wanting to build one and if i decided i wanted to start racing i would wait untill i had the money to actually be able to keep up with the rig and get it ready to race
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the race dezert.com comes up but trying ot get anywhere else on the page it comes up server error? adn barrel roll i do realize that it will be expensive but im wanting to build a car like that even if i wasnt going to race it. i would take it to the desert where i live and go play around do the hill climbs and go up into the rocky canyons, and also up to teh mountain trails. either way im wanting to build one and if i decided i wanted to start racing i would wait untill i had the money to actually be able to keep up with the rig and get it ready to race
Here is a direct link to RDC's desert section: http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/for...-Desert-Racing

And a couple of links to the OR racing sites I recall:
http://www.facebook.com/centraloregonracepark

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http://www.codra-racing.com/
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:13 PM   #23 (permalink)
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thank you so much that makes it only a 5 hour drive instead of 9-10 hour drive to the other closest ones
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Do you realize the costs involved in building an ultra 4 4400 car and campaigning it? You say it like it is an easy entry level type of racing to get into? What is your budget to build a car?
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Check Out Vorra also they put together some great races in Northern Nevada also
http://www.vorra.net/
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