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Old 01-09-2007, 06:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Wyo-Tech Tacoma Desert Truck

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My name is Sean, and I am currently attending Wyo-Tech in Laramie Wyoming. I am from NV where there are trails everywhere and always thought desert racing to be fascinating.

I am in the Chassis Fabrication class right now. In this class we are able to build basically any project that is chassis or performance related.

My goal is to build a tacoma desert truck from the frame up. Metal to me is basically at stock price, and i will most likely use chromolly tubing.

My question to you guys is where do i begin? Would it be wiser to use a rectangle tubing or round tubing all the way around?

I have seen some tacomas run a trailing arm rear suspension, is that wise?

For the front suspension i think i am gonna run the Total Chaos Long Travel.

Any other help would be greatly appreciated, say someone had a rule book for me to reference off of would be great.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Rule book, as in like a off road class. whats the plan for the rear link or springs
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the last tacoma that i saw was running trailing arms with coil overs. I am not sure what kind of linking he was running on top of the axle. I know limiting straps would be in the mix.

I am really unsure of what other kind of rear suspensions are ran in the desert racing world.

A rule book like the one for SCORE which is the main race association
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search, read, learn, execute. there are thousands of threads out there for you to read and soak up information from. race-dezert.com or dezertrangers.com would prolly be yer best bet.

but by gawd, do a search for this kinda stuff before you go askin any questions.
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Old 01-09-2007, 09:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well as for score. theres a few class you could be in so just go to there web and see like what kind of class you want to built. If you are planing on linking it, be ready to drop some few bucks for shocks and links and all the cage you have to do
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I really dont think that you are in the right feild if you dont have the ability to research basic suspension design. What do they teach you there anyways, shouldnt they be helping you out.
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I really dont think that you are in the right feild if you dont have the ability to research basic suspension design. What do they teach you there anyways, shouldnt they be helping you out.
The teachers at these larger tech schools are mainly people that can not hack it in the field for one reason or another. Your tipical instructor groups are: the old guys physically unable to do the job, they have good information but much of it is way out of date; the younger uber lazy guy that cannot hold a job; or the super anal guy that nobody wants to be around.

My experiance is that most instructors get the class started then F-in leave. Good use of 34000 right? Class sizes are really to large to effectively teach.
Basically a diploma factory. All you do is buy a name; unfortunate really.

I suggest if you are not serious about this project drop it chasis fabrication is very important to everyones safety.

You should buy a copy of "Doorslammers" It is about drag racing but it covers suspension theory really well.

Can you tig weld? If not maybe you would be better off with a 1082 or 2040. Chromo is not to be mig welded even though the chasis teachers say it is fine.

Personally I would build a moderate runner as my first project and not try for a trophy truck off the getgo. ( Notice my lack of proper desert terminology)

Offroad sports are a wonderful thing full of adventure and learning. Start at the ground with a sketch pad and build it one step at a time. Every suspension has its ups and downs. There is plenty of info out there. Go for it! Good luck!

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The teachers at these larger tech schools are mainly people that can not hack it in the field for one reason or another. Your tipical instructor groups are: the old guys physically unable to do the job, they have good information but much of it is way out of date; the younger uber lazy guy that cannot hold a job; or the super anal guy that nobody wants to be around.

My experiance is that most instructors get the class started then F-in leave. Good use of 34000 right? Class sizes are really to large to effectively teach.
Basically a diploma factory. All you do is buy a name; unfortunate really.

I suggest if you are not serious about this project drop it chasis fabrication is very important to everyones safety.

You should buy a copy of "Doorslammers" It is about drag racing but it covers suspension theory really well.

Can you tig weld? If not maybe you would be better off with a 1082 or 2040. Chromo is not to be mig welded even though the chasis teachers say it is fine.

Personally I would build a moderate runner as my first project and not try for a trophy truck off the getgo. ( Notice my lack of proper desert terminology)

Offroad sports are a wonderful thing full of adventure and learning. Start at the ground with a sketch pad and build it one step at a time. Every suspension has its ups and downs. There is plenty of info out there. Go for it! Good luck!

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I went to commercial diving school and it was the same thing with the teachers. They were all recovering from decompression sickness, not quite the people that you should trust to be teach diving theory.
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I'll probably get flammed for it but i'd try to stay away from chromo, more or less its pretty easy to mess up and filler for chromo. is expensive (curious though what kinda of prices are you paying for chromoly, and what size is it?). As far as what type of tubing to use other than chromoly, well i'd just use dom, and no thinner than 3/16 (.188) for anything, and if this is your first major build i would stick with mild steel till you get some experience with building some basic stuff out of chromoly, but then again i have no idea of what you're capable of welding, but please inlighten of your skills.

Actually you can use mig to weld chromoly, as long as you use the proper filler and settings, and depending on the alloy you may have to pre/post heat to avoid it cooling off to fast and becoming brittle, and try to avoid using the tack tack style of welding, as there are many issues that can arise that will eventually cause failure.
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3/16 is too thick. 1.75x.120 mild is fine.
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I went to commercial diving school and it was the same thing with the teachers. They were all recovering from decompression sickness, not quite the people that you should trust to be teach diving theory.
Yeah, I got kicked out of some classes for bringing proof, as in a catapillar service manual, that the teacher was full of BS. He responed "Well in the field you will see people don't do it that way" The problem is he was telling us to do exactly what the book said not to do. No good. Then they tell me I am not going to make as much money by not skipping vital steps. I tell them that at least my customers will be happy, because that is what is most important. They hate hearing that.

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yeep, did you go through the diesel prgram at wyotech? if not where did you go?

i graduated from wyotech's laramie campus in sept of 05. The automotive teachers i had there were either wash-ups or knew their shit. a guy named ollie from europe was a great teacher. my chassis fab and street rod teachers were all very good and were on top of their game.

casaus19, consider how much time you will have to work on your project i had enough time for a sas on my toy. and i busted my hump for three months. and there is a shit load of comps and the instructors are anal on the weld sign offs. Also you'll have to get your 10 point project out of the way unless you incorporate that into your truck project. Just some helpful advice from a former student
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yeep, did you go through the diesel prgram at wyotech? if not where did you go?

i graduated from wyotech's laramie campus in sept of 05. The automotive teachers i had there were either wash-ups or knew their shit. a guy named ollie from europe was a great teacher. my chassis fab and street rod teachers were all very good and were on top of their game.

casaus19, consider how much time you will have to work on your project i had enough time for a sas on my toy. and i busted my hump for three months. and there is a shit load of comps and the instructors are anal on the weld sign offs. Also you'll have to get your 10 point project out of the way unless you incorporate that into your truck project. Just some helpful advice from a former student
Yeah I was there for a spell as well. School was not for me . Friend just graduated there in Oct . His Project was to 4 Link the rear of his 87 K20 GMC . In reality the time you have after the comp's and stuff is not a whole lot . Good luck build a complete truck in that time . He has been home 3 months and the 4 link is still not done . The school sucked IMHO , and was not worth any money . I had a few bad expirience's there , so I am biased but yeah .You won't finish a full frame etc on the time you have so good luck trying .
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to be honest the school is kinda a joke i got a degree from there and i work at a boat dealership
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Like I said "The school sucked IMHO , and was not worth any money ." the friend that grad ' took auto , fab , and managment . Now he works for a guy doing maint on his biz equipment . I swear he learned how to drink and party out there.
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I think that in the future I would like to take some classes at the wizard fab school or something similar. It seems as if they can tailor the schooling for you and have competent fabricators that can help you out. They even have special classes for rock crawlers, rails, street rods, etc. I think that they should start a Jalopy course and show how to take 5 trucks and consolidate them into one capable rig.
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has anyone heard anything about "The Fab School" was looking at their web page and it looked like a pretty good program. Just curious for any reviews of that place
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Like my dad told me when I talked to him about these schools,"you can teach someone how to weld and how to measure and cut and how to use all the tools but they still won't be a fabricator. It is having the imagination and the ability and the drive to use all that you have learned to make something that works." I hear too many "kids" thinking they could go to one of these schools and come out a "fabricator." I just laugh. I have worked over 5 years in fab shops doing suspension, chassis, engine, body and everything else truck and car related. I now am working at a short run machine shop that specializes in prototype work and going to school for my mechanical engineering degree. Maybe after the 5 years of school and working at the machine shop I will think about calling myself a "Fabricator." LOL
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yeep, did you go through the diesel prgram at wyotech? if not where did you go?

I actually went to UTI but one of my friends did wyotech and UTI both and compared notes on em for us. UTI is just as bad as far as some instructors go. Don't get me wrong there are a few instructors that are truly there to help and teach you everything they know. Unfortunatly they are not the majority. It is hard to leave the field go to school to learn about what you have been doing already and have the instructers tell you about the field when they have never actually worked in it.
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Like my dad told me when I talked to him about these schools,"you can teach someone how to weld and how to measure and cut and how to use all the tools but they still won't be a fabricator. It is having the imagination and the ability and the drive to use all that you have learned to make something that works." I hear too many "kids" thinking they could go to one of these schools and come out a "fabricator." I just laugh. I have worked over 5 years in fab shops doing suspension, chassis, engine, body and everything else truck and car related. I now am working at a short run machine shop that specializes in prototype work and going to school for my mechanical engineering degree. Maybe after the 5 years of school and working at the machine shop I will think about calling myself a "Fabricator." LOL

So true. I only went because I earned a huge retraining grant. So many go there to figure out they can't cut it in a real shop.
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Hey guys,

There was some constructive info giving in your replies. I have taken that into consideration.

I have all of my first phase comps done in 4 days, which is impressive for chassis fab. also i think i am goin to tone down my goals for this class,

A new thought being reinforcing the wrecked 95 tacoma i have with rear frame work as well as cage, and front support.

For those raggin on Wyo-Tech, i feel for you and i don't. I agree that some of the teachers are washed up, but others are truly there to help you and give you as much knowledge as possible.

The teacher quality in the past few years has diminished greatly due to Corinthian Colleges buying the name. They are a money hungry corporation who is in it just for the name of the school.

Though the resources available to us students surpasses most any shop, or other school out there right now.

I am on a full ride scholarship so it isn't a loss of 34000 to me.

As far as welding skills since that was one of the questions asked, i am confident with good penetration on butt, corner, fillet, and thick to thin on both MIG and TIG. I have done quite a bit of welding on my own for various projects but with the helps of my instructors i have been able to refine my skills and decifer what was wrong as well as what i was doing right.
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Hey guys,

There was some constructive info giving in your replies. I have taken that into consideration.

I have all of my first phase comps done in 4 days, which is impressive for chassis fab. also i think i am goin to tone down my goals for this class,

A new thought being reinforcing the wrecked 95 tacoma i have with rear frame work as well as cage, and front support.

For those raggin on Wyo-Tech, i feel for you and i don't. I agree that some of the teachers are washed up, but others are truly there to help you and give you as much knowledge as possible.

The teacher quality in the past few years has diminished greatly due to Corinthian Colleges buying the name. They are a money hungry corporation who is in it just for the name of the school.

Though the resources available to us students surpasses most any shop, or other school out there right now.

I am on a full ride scholarship so it isn't a loss of 34000 to me.

As far as welding skills since that was one of the questions asked, i am confident with good penetration on butt, corner, fillet, and thick to thin on both MIG and TIG. I have done quite a bit of welding on my own for various projects but with the helps of my instructors i have been able to refine my skills and decifer what was wrong as well as what i was doing right.
Well I am glad to hear you are getting something out of that shithole . As far as Teacher's My friends would go to party's with teacher's . Hell my roomate went to a party got drunk , and High with his auto teacher , and got lost . He got so fucked up he could not tell us where he was the next day . We had to drive around town to find him. All I know is many teacher's are the same as that guy , I have friend's that know them for real .
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i say round tube.
now to the rest of the thread......are the instructors that bad? if so i am really disappointed. it is hard to establish an opinion from a couple posts but it is usually, "you get out of it what you put in." i have had students that miss a lot of school and are lazy when they are here. they seem to be the ones that complain the most and learn the least. if these schools have instructor problems, i hope they address them soon.
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i say round tube.
now to the rest of the thread......are the instructors that bad? if so i am really disappointed. it is hard to establish an opinion from a couple posts but it is usually, "you get out of it what you put in." i have had students that miss a lot of school and are lazy when they are here. they seem to be the ones that complain the most and learn the least. if these schools have instructor problems, i hope they address them soon.
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It was my go I had to pay for it , and Everything . What happend while I was there sucked , and I wish It would not have happened, but it did . Some Instructor's were cool but other's were , as I said . I miss the scenery , and other things but the instructors ,aside from the managment class were all loser's.
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It was my go I had to pay for it , and Everything . What happend while I was there sucked , and I wish It would not have happened, but it did . Some Instructor's were cool but other's were , as I said . I miss the scenery , and other things but the instructors ,aside from the managment class were all loser's.

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