Ford 8.8 rearend Durability and Strength - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
 
Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum  

Go Back   Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum > General Tech > Desert Racing
Notices

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-13-2007, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
Ford 8.8 rearend Durability and Strength

So we are playing with a 1996 Ford F-150 4WD. It is designed to spend most of its life in the desert playing with suspension components. It is not (as of yet) a hardcore prerunner, but it will see some whoops, jumping and general tomfoolery.

It may be time to get gears as the truck is incredibly slow currently. How strong is the 8.8 that is in it? I am more worried about bending than I am it failing due to horsepower. Will I be able to utilize this axle for a year or two, or do I need to find a 9" before I spend any energy upgrading the 8.8 on this thing? Thoughts?
Attached Images
 
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!

Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2007, 02:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
Granite Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 21914
Location: So Cal
Posts: 864
They have been succesfully run for many years in Stock Full - add a truss and 9" housing ends(Drew/Goat1 or Currie Ent.); spool or Detroit Locker (Reider Racing ); Good gears (Precision Gear ); and Uber Cool Custom axles (Alloy USA ) and you're good to go!!






And I might know a guy who knows a guy who met a stripper who's old roomate used to race and met a guy that could help you with all that.
Racing Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 02-13-2007, 03:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
TRD
Zeus of the Sluice
 
TRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Member # 8286
Location: Costa Mesa, Ca
Posts: 4,700
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ron View Post
And I might know a guy who knows a guy who met a stripper who's old roomate used to race and met a guy that could help you with all that.

Is his name Ron
__________________
-Ryan
TRD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2007, 03:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ron View Post
They have been succesfully run for many years in Stock Full - add a truss and 9" housing ends(Drew/Goat1 or Currie Ent.); spool or Detroit Locker (Reider Racing ); Good gears (Precision Gear ); and Uber Cool Custom axles (Alloy USA ) and you're good to go!!
Thanks for the assist. I wanted to be sure that with a truss the housing was worth investing in the Reider Racing/Precision Gear/Alloy USA parts before I looked for them. No sense in investing energy and resources into the housing if it was going to be substandard when completed.

I will discuss with Drew B this weekend at the Hammers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ron
And I might know a guy who knows a guy who met a stripper who's old roomate used to race and met a guy that could help you with all that
Sounds like a guy I knew that once told me I needed an axle sponsor. Also a guy that could use a tecate.
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!

Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2007, 04:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
Granite Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 21914
Location: So Cal
Posts: 864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
So we are playing with a 1996 Ford F-150 4WD. It is designed to spend most of its life in the desert playing with suspension components. It is not (as of yet) a hardcore prerunner, but it will see some whoops, jumping and general tomfoolery.

It may be time to get gears as the truck is incredibly slow currently. How strong is the 8.8 that is in it? I am more worried about bending than I am it failing due to horsepower. Will I be able to utilize this axle for a year or two, or do I need to find a 9" before I spend any energy upgrading the 8.8 on this thing? Thoughts?

I bet we could turn that beauty into one of these

Of course a different shock co. hood decal
Attached Images
 
Racing Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2007, 04:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
I like it. The color even works for me.

We will be putting seats, harnesses and a cage in it shortly. I still think it would need more than that to get where yours was.
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!

Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2007, 06:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
Question,

What is the reason for changing the housing ends? I notice that parts are available for these in 28, 31 and 33 spline. I am assuming the truck uses 31 spline stock. It the different end to fit the larger shaft or is the factory 8.8 bearing crappy?
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!

Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 07:35 AM   #8 (permalink)
Granite Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 21914
Location: So Cal
Posts: 864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
Question,

What is the reason for changing the housing ends? I notice that parts are available for these in 28, 31 and 33 spline. I am assuming the truck uses 31 spline stock. It the different end to fit the larger shaft or is the factory 8.8 bearing crappy?
While we do make our NEW Grande 88 Kit - 31 spline Chromo shafts for the 8.8 which are super strong - for your intended purpose and likely remote testing locations - the switch to 9" ends facilitate a 9" axle and bearing - not only better load capacity, but an axle you could find, make, scrounge from most any wrecking yard in the US and Mexico in an emergency. It also makes brake upgrades real simple.

I doubt you will ever break one - but with your driving history you may bend one

JK

Quote:
Also a guy that could use a tecate.
So right you are...I'm probably heading to Primm for the desert race this weekend - or maybe I'll just suprise you guys in JV bumming a Tecate
Racing Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 12:16 PM   #9 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
braxton357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Member # 14685
Location: morganton/charlotte,nc
Posts: 4,691
Send a message via AIM to braxton357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
Question,

What is the reason for changing the housing ends? I notice that parts are available for these in 28, 31 and 33 spline. I am assuming the truck uses 31 spline stock. It the different end to fit the larger shaft or is the factory 8.8 bearing crappy?
It's because the 8.8 is a c-clip axle. Reason there are so many c-clip eliminator kits--aka big bearing 9" housing ends--is because nhra rules don't allow cars running faster than 10.99 to have c-clip rearends. As you know, break a c clip axle--lose your tire. Plus, there are more choices for everything 9".
__________________
In vino veritas

70 turbocharged 351w fastback mustang
73 linked 5.8efi Bronco
99 QCLB 4x4 twin'd cummins on meth.

Last edited by braxton357; 02-14-2007 at 12:17 PM.
braxton357 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 01:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Member # 47179
Location: el cajon, california
Posts: 853
Send a message via AIM to TotalImmortal
IMO....i would not waste any money in the 8.8

find a 9" and put your money in that. if you are going to be building the 8.8, why not just go 9"?
__________________
Brice
TotalImmortal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 02:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Member # 33830
Posts: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ron View Post
While we do make our NEW Grande 88 Kit - 31 spline Chromo shafts for the 8.8 which are super strong - for your intended purpose and likely remote testing locations - the switch to 9" ends facilitate a 9" axle and bearing - not only better load capacity, but an axle you could find, make, scrounge from most any wrecking yard in the US and Mexico in an emergency. It also makes brake upgrades real simple.

I doubt you will ever break one - but with your driving history you may bend one

JK
It should be noted that the 88 kit will only work in Explorer axle housings, Ranger 8.8's are 28 spline and have a narrower housing. Full sized 8.8's well, obviously have a wider housing but you could cut it down fit the Grande 88 kit.
mad_boi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 04:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
Granite Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 21914
Location: So Cal
Posts: 864
Quote:
Originally Posted by TotalImmortal View Post
IMO....i would not waste any money in the 8.8

find a 9" and put your money in that. if you are going to be building the 8.8, why not just go 9"?
My thoughts, may be presuming...are he wanted to keep it legal for stock full if the build goes that way. Otherwise, I agree build the 9 (if the budget allows).
Racing Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 05:00 PM   #13 (permalink)
Granite Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 21914
Location: So Cal
Posts: 864
Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_boi View Post
It should be noted that the 88 kit will only work in Explorer axle housings, Ranger 8.8's are 28 spline and have a narrower housing. Full sized 8.8's well, obviously have a wider housing but you could cut it down fit the Grande 88 kit.



We do make a semi-top secret full size version of the Grande 88 Kit for the F-150's...limited quantities
Racing Ron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 07:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Member # 33830
Posts: 500
Ooooh la la...I may know a few people interested in this
mad_boi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2007, 09:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Member # 26910
Location: Tujunga,CA
Posts: 661
I'd be interested in the Grande 88 kit for the 150. I talked to "another company" about there Super88 and they said they had no plans to make a full width 88 kit
__________________
'99 Explorer - Full Width 44/8.8 on 37's
'01 F250 Crew Cab 4WD -Tow Rig
Stic-o is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2007, 02:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Jeffh555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Member # 3775
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 1,029
I forgot to give it to TuRD, but I've got a couple stock 9" third members you can have, if you decide to go 9"... I've got a feeling you will.
__________________
I wheeled twice this year, that might be a personal record.
Jeffh555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2007, 08:15 PM   #17 (permalink)
TRD
Zeus of the Sluice
 
TRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Member # 8286
Location: Costa Mesa, Ca
Posts: 4,700
Oh and to answer the 8.8 question.

I spun the tubes in the center section and broke the yoke. And I didnt even go too big!

I found a new reason to build a 4x4 pre-runner. 50% more chance of being able to drive it home!

ps. Thanks for the help Jeff!

Pss. DILLIGAF!
__________________
-Ryan

Last edited by TRD; 02-18-2007 at 08:36 PM.
TRD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2007, 08:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
Yes, so our 8.8 is dead. We are looking to replace it with a 9".
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!


Last edited by Beat95YJ; 02-19-2007 at 03:02 PM.
Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2007, 09:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Member # 24950
Posts: 1,931
Frank, I've got a junkyard by me with an easy dozen 9"s in it for under a hundred bucks.Let me know.
Butler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2007, 09:25 PM   #20 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Jeffh555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Member # 3775
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 1,029
The break, the resulting drivelike break, and the fix.
Attached Images
   
__________________
I wheeled twice this year, that might be a personal record.
Jeffh555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2007, 08:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
Pirate4x4 Addict!
 
Beat95YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Member # 22176
Location: Redondo Beach
Posts: 9,657
Well it is here and on the rack. Both tubes are twisted, the drivers side is coming out and the thing is rather v shaped.

I am doing some on-line investigating, and the F-150 had a 9" from 78-86. Is any of these years more or less desireable? I have read that there is early and late big bearing. Does this matter?

I know a little about 10 and 12 bolts, a little more about 60's and a bit about 44's. 9" are all new to me.

I have heard that the trucks always have the nodular center, true/not true?
__________________
I can break a steel ball in a rubber room!

Beat95YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2007, 08:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Member # 24950
Posts: 1,931
ARe there any external indicators of shaft and bearing size or does it have to be torn apart to see?
Butler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2007, 11:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Member # 56400
Location: @ your sisters
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post

I know a little about 10 and 12 bolts, a little more about 60's and a bit about 44's. 9" are all new to me.....
Don't lie! You were just here a couple of weekends ago. You know all about 9"! (I couldn't help it, it was there!)

Your friends Jessie and Ian did a show all about different rearends this weekend. If only you would have seen that, you would know everything!

BTW, any pics of the speed bump TuRD hit to break that thing? And tell us the truth was it just driver error?!
__________________
Anyone can say something won't work......The challenge is in figuring out a way to make it work!
Curious1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2007, 01:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Jeffh555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Member # 3775
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 1,029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious1 View Post
any pics of the speed bump TuRD hit to break that thing?
Yes
__________________
I wheeled twice this year, that might be a personal record.
Jeffh555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2007, 02:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
107
 
christyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Member # 39660
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 1,080
i heard he was trying to brakestand in front of the highschool when it happened...
__________________
Big Boned Toyota Build

The collective writing skills of the PBB is equivalent to a blind down syndrome-afflicted monkey with no hands and epilepsy.
christyle is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.