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Old 05-02-2011, 08:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Yeah nobody really cares yet, but when guys start building cars like Campbell's Class 1 to compete in 4400, people are gonna be butt hurt. Look at 1450.
Very good post - exactly the issue!
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:42 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Thanks for the compliment.. I wasnít there but I don't seem to recall you being part of the team effort and helping with the fuel issues that we had the entire race. Motor never ran right and Brad still took overall. I appreciate you letting me know it didn't count. I sure donít understand why your always so negative on Ultra 4.
Congratulations, they smoked them all with a car that was never even running right - you made my point.
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:44 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Huge congrats to Shannon! Not taking anything away from 4400 as I'm a huge fan and proud to be part of KOH...but this race was EASILY the most 4400 friendly race the class will ever encounter...smooth as glass, virtually no whoops, etc. I look forward to the day when 4400 can compete at the front in Parker, Laughlin, etc....THAT would be cool.
Huge congrats to all the 4400 finishers for sure...the class has come a long way in regards to speeds and even more importantly, attrition rates! I truly think that 4400 can be competitive with top 10 car and 7200 teams over an entire season in the very near future....and that's pretty awesome....for a bunch of fawkin' rock donkeys!!!
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Shannon 79 seconds off the protrucks (1200) top finisher
Shannon beat all the 7200/1000/1100/8000/2000/8100/3700/5000 trucks
3 4400's in the top 50
21 of 35 4400's 60% finishing rate in the top 100
33 of 49 for 1400/1500 classes 67% finishing rate in the top 100

top 23 were 1400/1500/1200 trucks
majority of the 1400/1500 were in the top of the field of finishers
majority 4400 was scattered from 44 to 96

I think its very possible for a faster 4400 car to get into the top 10 with the right equipment looking at the finishing times. Shannon I know has a small cell in his buggy and I would imagine had to pit a lot and was roughly 20 minutes off the top 10.

Just fuel for thought, discuss.
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:10 AM   #55 (permalink)
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hahahaha....you guys kill me.....the track is smooth as glass.....your best guy kills your entire field, and only gets 24th overall, and you still think you are going to get in the top ten soon.....my question...why do you care??? the u4's are PURPOSE built, and it is for koh types of races.......forget it, i give up....im sure a u4 will win overall soon!!!!!
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:40 AM   #56 (permalink)
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How long has ultra 4 been around...5 years now?

I'd say they've come a long way. To finish 24th in a desert race, in a car purpose built for ultra4/koh type races is impressive.

To say they will get a 1st overall, is a stretch (CURRENTLY), I don't think is impossible. However, they'll get close enough to make some other classes want more "rules" for 4400's. These cars have come a ridiculously long way in 5 years. Just imagine what 5 more years will hold
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See ya Pete, peace

Who cares if they are purpose built. Are the TT 1400/1500 buggies not purpose built too?

But when our best guy does take top 10 on a smooth as glass course, or maybe a top 20 in a tough as nails desert race or damn for say maybe go for the win, who will care, who will notice???

We will, the ultra 4 drivers. Pretty much all that matters IMO.
I know myself I could care less what a TT, 1400/1500, professional desert racer thinks. I think a lot of us race for respect and race to be respected by the people we race against. Especially those at the top of it.

Go ahead a look down on us. Thats fine. One day we might surprise you and then I'll say, I told you so
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:58 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Congrats to all those who finished in the Ultra4 class. My Pit (Baja Pits) was pit 2/ Caliente & you guys kept us busy. Being a desert guy , I was impressed on how well the class as a whole did...again congrats. There are some changes that can be made (car wise) to make your pit stops quicker & our ultra4 liaison Andy Stone can address these changes. Congrats to Shannon, Andy & I talked to him at Tech & he was humble & optomistic as usual.....a true champ & class act. We offered pitting @ KOH this year for the first time and are comitted in doing our part in getting you to the finish line. In all the Silver State 300 was a fun race for me personally as well as our crew, and for that, I say thanks.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:29 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Actually I have raced in just about every class including Class 3 (the class the Bronco is making a mockery of) and I care, because I care deeply about the overall health and integrity of desert racing, my biggest passion for 25 years.
Here we go again A Mockery????? AGAIN The Bronco PASSED TECH. Built by the rule book........GET OVER IT

Second the Bronco fits just fine in the Ultra 4 Class....
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Very good post - exactly the issue!
If the cars are built just for the Desert.... they will not do well at all in the Ultra4 Series... Ya if they do just BITD in Ultra 4 then yes will probally do well. But most guys in Ultra4 Are running the U4 Series with involves 4 different types of racing not just Desert Racing
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:42 AM   #61 (permalink)
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The sheer beauty of the ultra 4 series is the need for the car to do it all. Who cares if somebody wins in a ringer in one race let em try in the next, it will be a different coarse with different terrain that will make that ringers win pretty transparent in my opinion.
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The sheer beauty of the ultra 4 series is the need for the car to do it all.
Exactly, but I'd also add it requires the driver to be skilled in multiple disciplines. Ultra4 is sheer genius, I don't think anybody can argue that! And I agree, bringing a "ringer" for one race is pointless...it's a series, winning one event and failing miserably at the others proves absolutely nothing. Any wagers against Shannon finishing well in the entire series?
BTW, maybe adding a rule re: "all events must be competed in with the same car" would be good? I could see someone "buying" the series by building three cars that are specific for the different disciplines at some point. Not that it would guarantee success, as ultimately the guy/gal behind the wheel is a pretty substantial portion of the overall "package", but not having a rule like that could potentially create issues at some point imho. .02
Along those same lines, teams being able to "tune" the rig for each specific discipline is really cool to watch, obviously the setup for KOH vs. SS300 would be drastically different...and teams that can master those setup changes will always have a drastic advantage. Regardless, it's exciting to see the evolution of the series, and I'm loving all the banter, competition, evolution, etc. personally...keep it up!!!
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Shannon 79 seconds off the protrucks (1200) top finisher
Shannon beat all the 7200/1000/1100/8000/2000/8100/3700/5000 trucks
3 4400's in the top 50
21 of 35 4400's 60% finishing rate in the top 100
33 of 49 for 1400/1500 classes 67% finishing rate in the top 100

top 23 were 1400/1500/1200 trucks
majority of the 1400/1500 were in the top of the field of finishers
majority 4400 was scattered from 44 to 96

I think its very possible for a faster 4400 car to get into the top 10 with the right equipment looking at the finishing times. Shannon I know has a small cell in his buggy and I would imagine had to pit a lot and was roughly 20 minutes off the top 10.

Just fuel for thought, discuss.
FYI, Most TT and Class1 only have maybe 150mile range as well they are thirsty beasts.

I am not surprised by Shannon's finish he is definitely a top notch racer and has a top notch car that is purpose built 4400 car not purpose built rock crawler. I see this class getting faster and faster to be basically a 4x4 class1 car as there is nothing in the rules to stop them. Kind of like Dave's car is in my eye's. I see them in the class 1 ranks soon as more of them are built with the desert in mind. It would be interesting for Shannon to do qualifying and see what he can do with a front start??
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IIRC Shannon has around a 20 gallon cell. I think 150 miles would be great but I doubt he has that type of fuel mileage. If he's around what the rest of us see I would bet its around 4 to 5 mpg thus making him pit 6 or so times during 300 miles.
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Here we go again A Mockery????? AGAIN The Bronco PASSED TECH. Built by the rule book........GET OVER IT

Second the Bronco fits just fine in the Ultra 4 Class....
I have alot of respect for guys showing up in the big broncos. Mike Bird Jr. raced class 8 in his bronco the last 2 years in BITD....a tall order in a tough class imho.
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Well at least we got this forum lit-up for a little while.
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Not a chance.

Best finisher will be torchmate and id be surprised if they break the top 50.
This and your other posts in this thread tell me you probably shouldn't get into the fortune telling business anytime soon
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I think the fact Shannon beat all the 10's is a feat. It's not that unsual to see 10's placing in the top 20 and some times top 10. 10's and ultra 4's are the both "unlimited but limited" except 10's have motor limits and ultra 4's have the 4x4 system requirements and the added weight of that system.

Overall in an ultra 4 not going to happen unless a monsoon opens up during a race.
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FYI, Most TT and Class1 only have maybe 150mile range as well they are thirsty beasts.

I am not surprised by Shannon's finish he is definitely a top notch racer and has a top notch car that is purpose built 4400 car not purpose built rock crawler. I see this class getting faster and faster to be basically a 4x4 class1 car as there is nothing in the rules to stop them. Kind of like Dave's car is in my eye's. I see them in the class 1 ranks soon as more of them are built with the desert in mind. It would be interesting for Shannon to do qualifying and see what he can do with a front start??
he has done it before.....same result.....and YES, impressive, in a "built for koh car".....but to think you guys are competing for the overall is silly.....why do YOU GUYS keep bringing it up?????.....why do you guys think herbst gave up on the 4wheel drive TT?? and i promise, they have more money then ALL of you guys put together....quite hatin', be REALISTIC....
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This and your other posts in this thread tell me you probably shouldn't get into the fortune telling business anytime soon
its just like racing, its not going to get me rich, im not good at it, but i have fun trying
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he has done it before.....same result.....and YES, impressive, in a "built for koh car".....but to think you guys are competing for the overall is silly.....why do YOU GUYS keep bringing it up?????.....why do you guys think herbst gave up on the 4wheel drive TT?? and i promise, they have more money then ALL of you guys put together....quite hatin', be REALISTIC....
Pete, I do not even own a 4400 car. I am a Desert racer that has some friends that race 4400.

I do not see them competing in the top 10 but if Shannon had started up in the class 1's I would bet he would have been top 20.

On another note a stock f250 would have placed 6th and beat over 75% of the 4400's and started 4 classes back from them. Ya I just said that fire away at me!!

Maybe a lighter 4400 style car can make 4x4 work. They do not have the hp,weight, and wheel travel the Herbst had????? not saying they would beat the old Herbst TT, but Shannons light buggy buggies!!

Yes The SS300 is a smooth course. I do not believe they would be as effective in say Parker or San Felipe as they are a lot rougher courses.

Last but not least Build one Pete? I would love to rent it and race a 4400 race!!
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he has done it before.....same result.....and YES, impressive, in a "built for koh car".....but to think you guys are competing for the overall is silly.....why do YOU GUYS keep bringing it up?????.....why do you guys think herbst gave up on the 4wheel drive TT?? and i promise, they have more money then ALL of you guys put together....quite hatin', be REALISTIC....
dont go away maaaad.....just go away

And when that Monsoon does come along we'll make sure to drag you and the rest of the 2x4's back to camp.

Come awn Pete, you know we suck, just say it.

i'd drive an unlimited 4x4 any day of the week before an unlimited 2x4.
(go ahead and say it, I know I've never been in a "real" desert race)

but in all seriousness, can you show me, where a 2x4 has a better advantage than a 4x4? Only one I can think is less moving parts.
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