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Old 10-24-2011, 06:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dutch W200 Axle question

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I have a '76 w200. currently on 35's. i got a set of 37 Hummer tyre's ready to mount. however de Dana 44 with it's unit bearing ain't gonna like them.
So im looking for a different front axle. i've found a D60 axle from a W350 dually. i dont have it yet. becouse i dont know what needs to be adjusted and such. i do know that is has a 4.56 ratio instead of 4.10 so i want to use the rear D70 axle too. parts and stuff are hard to get here and i have limited acces to a workshop. so i would like to know in advance what i need to adjust, so i can make the swap within a day. parts here are hard to get so i need them in advance.

Hope someone knows if it's a simple swap or needs some serious adjusting..



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Old 10-24-2011, 06:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The axle itself is a bolt in deal but with dually hubs the wheel track is going to be much wider than you single rear wheel front axle. You will need to convert to the SRW setup on the D60 to get back to the right track width. Similarly, the D70 rear will not have the same track width as the SRW D60 you have now. For the hubs for the front D60, you can use GM parts which may help since GM trucks can be found pretty much everywhere, though may still be unusual in your country. Will probably be easier than finding Dodge parts though. If it were me, I'd convert the hubs on the front D60 to SRW and then swap 4.56 gears into your current D60 rear to match.
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yeah ive been thinking about replacing the rear gears, but that would be about $350 ex shipping to holland, while the D70 costs only €250. so that would be cheaper. track witdh for the front and rear are about the same right? i can always extend my fenders.
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If you are gonna run H1 wheels along with the tires, you could just run the dually axles as is provided the rear is out of a pick-up and not a cab/chassis. Several people on here have done it. The only kicker is that the rear hubs sticks out from the wheel a fair bit.
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EDIT; There is a guy in the Ford forum that swapped a 70s Ford crew cab onto a Dodge frame and I believe this is what he did, you might try to find it and have a look.
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What are the diffrence's between a pickup axle and a chassis axle? it was a firetruck, without a pickup bed, but if its been converted later or bought as a chassis i dont know...
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A cab/chassis will have a rear axle that is the same width or slightly narrower than a standard pick-up axle. A dually pick-up axle will be suffieciently wide to place the inside tire in the same tire track as a single wheel. I'm pretty sure the D/W dually axles are about 71 or 72 inches wide. Your other option, though not bolt in would be a late 2nd gen dodge axle. I'm pretty sure the single wheel version of those are in the same neighborhood widthwise as the 1st gen dually axle. I don't know what is readily available in your neck of the woods. All you really need is an axle that is wide enough to put an H1 wheel in the stock-ish location when bolted on. I think the H1s have 7" of backspacing.
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These are the axle's

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i'll remove the front spacers, then the axle's are equally wide, only thing to modify is the rear end drive shaft connection.. can i transfer the yoke from my old D60 onto the D70? (I guess not?) else i'll have a friend make me something that will work.. the rest do seam to be a simple swap

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These are the axle's

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Rear


i'll remove the front spacers, then the axle's are equally wide, only thing to modify is the rear end drive shaft connection.. can i transfer the yoke from my old D60 onto the D70? (I guess not?) else i'll have a friend make me something that will work.. the rest do seam to be a simple swap

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This is where they came from
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Yes, that is a cab and chassis. I don't think the perches are in the right place on that rear axle, you better measure it to be sure if you want minimal down time. If you're gonna use your current wheels, convert the front to single wheel hubs (they aren't spacers) and put em in your truck. I think your yoke will interchange between the two axles, but it would be best to just pull em and try.
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Got my axle's!

Got em partially apart to see what needed replacing and such. not that much, new calipers, rotors and rear break cilinders and im good to go...

Oh, and smashed a bucket of paint on them... :lol:
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Did you verify spring perch width on that rear before you painted them? Also, you don't do meth do you? Most guys I see with yellow axles seem like meth heads
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it's lime green, not yellow lol.
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Okay, i got almost everything sorted out, except i need 2 manual lockout hubs. but all i find are 30 spl, en i need 35. anyone know where i can get some?
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This is all I can find, others might be able to help you more.
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Those are internal hubs. The older Dodge D60s require external hubs which have not been made in 35 spline for many, many years. To convert an external hub D60 to 35 spline you have to convert to internal hubs or use drive flanges.
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Those are internal hubs. The older Dodge D60s require external hubs which have not been made in 35 spline for many, many years. To convert an external hub D60 to 35 spline you have to convert to internal hubs or use drive flanges.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was just about to edit my post to include drive flanges, actually. If this is going to be a trail only, or only occasionally street driven, rig then flanges might not be a bad option.
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Well it's a fulltime 4WD truck and a stock D60 would have had flanges anyway so if he keeps the NP203 transfer case, he would be fine with drive flanges.
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the transfer case has been converted to part time 4wd, so i want manual hubs.

i recount the splines tomorrow but im pretty sure it was 35.. you dont kow where i can get a set?
the 350 it came from is a 85 one as ive been told
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What is wrong with the set that is on it? They should be 30 spline stock but since you mentioned 35 spline, I assumed you were converting to 35 spline stub shafts.
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What is wrong with the set that is on it?

They are missing
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The ones in the pic of the rolling chassis are no longer there? If all you need is a replacement set, just go order a set. They are Milemarker Selectros. There are some cheaper ones being sold by a few guys that are rebranded with the B&M name also.
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there was one missing, hence i need a new one. (and new bearings. all rotten up )

another short question. i read about some ppl putting bb's in there tyres for balancing. how does this do on the road. dont they wear out the tires from the inside?
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I use Airsoft BBs. They are polystyrene so they are durable but don't seem to do any harm to the rims or tires. Metal BBs like used in "normal" airguns can be used also though the copper coating quickly wears off and then they tend to rust. I know several people have reported dismounting tires with metal BBs only to find a fine power of rust and no solid BBs. I can't recall anyone actually having wear from the inside with any sort of BB, though I suppose it may be possible. I do remember comments about the paint being taken off the inside of steel rims and the rust issue though. The Airsoft BBs don't seem to be bothered by the moisture though it does tend to take more of them to get the right weight since they weigh about 1/4 gram. Mine work great on my 37" surplus HMMWV tires up to about 70 MPH. Since they balance dynamically, your tires get balanced every time you start moving, so no worries about throwing weights or wear changing the balance. You may get some strange looks at stops though since they will fall out of suspension once the rotation slows enough and make a bit of an odd sound coming from your tires. The benefits outweigh the noise in my opinion. I think I remember reading that Airsoft guns are illegal in the Netherlands so the ammunition may be hard or even illegal or obtain and/or own so you may have to check into that locally. If nothing else you could just obtain small ball bearings but you may have to break them down every so often to check for rust or change them out.
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Yes airsoft with the plastic pallets are illegal, however i do own a 4.5 air rifle. they are legal, however i dont they are suited for balancing.. . i live close to the german border so i can buy those green plastic pallets there. i also drive the 37 hmmwv tires. how much do you need per tire?

btw, you dont have a spare hub lying around do you?
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Sorry, no spare Selectos. Someone on here sells the B&M versions pretty cheap, but I'll be damned if I can remember who it is. I would have thought they would have posted up by now if they had seen this thread.

As far as the weight, I think I used about 11 or 12 ounces in each tire. I used a chart I found on a website that sells expensive ceramic beads for tire balancing, though I found that with the lighter Airsoft BBs, you need to go slightly heavier.
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