70 Power Wagon Monster Dilemna - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

77PW · 06-30-2012, 03:17 PM

So my pops has a 1970 Power Wagon with 44x21 Super Swampers, Bearfield 80 closed knuckle axles and a 14" lift. Its been sitting now for sometime with no motor and he's been torn between a blown 440 S-code engine hes got or a 5.9/8.3 Cummins...
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

77PW · 06-30-2012, 04:01 PM

6erwebb · 06-30-2012, 08:36 PM

Im not sure of the input youre looking for but Il go ahead and say what everyone else either will, or should.

Go ahead and put the cummins in it and post a couple pics... then enjoy.

Country69 · 06-30-2012, 08:52 PM

Nice truck. I vote Cummins.

Send me the 440.

mj23polaris · 07-01-2012, 01:26 PM

440

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guidolyons · 07-01-2012, 01:34 PM

5.9l Cummins FTW

ffdustyw · 07-01-2012, 02:18 PM

I would stroker the 440 to a 512ci and be done. Forget the supercharger. Run a tunnelram with dual quad FAST Fuel Injection. Cummins would be cool but the Stroked 440 would win races!

fqdawld · 07-01-2012, 02:39 PM

thats a cool truck any more pic's?

built 440 or stroked 512 would make a awsome toy.. mud bogger or even a cruiser

cummins would make a bad ass tow rig

cookietruck · 07-03-2012, 07:53 AM

i'd use whatever i had around.
big block if you already have it.

stroker motor would be cool, or a 451 low deck motor. 400 block/440 crank...
even a regular 440 would make good power if it's built right.

LT. · 07-03-2012, 09:54 AM

How do you plan on using the truck?

LT.

W_A_Watson_II · 07-03-2012, 05:13 PM

WOW, more pictures and info. I'm with Dusty on the engine.

77PW · 07-03-2012, 07:30 PM

the 440 with tunnel ram is what hes been thinking, he's a sucker when it comes to those damn things! Lol.

And dusty, ive literally spent two days after I get off duty with the AF reading your build thread. Amazing truck!

He plans on using it to tow his tractors and toys kind of as a flag ship for his mudder as well.

W_A_Watson_II · 07-03-2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 77PW

He plans on using it to tow his tractors and toys kind of as a flag ship for his mudder as well.

If that's the case, I'd sway back to a Cummins 6BT. Better for towing and should provide better fuel economy. Either way can't wait to see the results.

Will

Elwenil · 07-03-2012, 07:57 PM

If he's going to use it to tow, I'd swap in a Cummins and get better tires. If he plans on playing with this truck more than towing, I'd put in the 440.

LOGANSTANFORTH · 07-04-2012, 06:14 AM

Any information on the axles?

3shadesofblack · 07-04-2012, 02:25 PM

That looks like a clean truck. I can tell you personaly there is a lot of cutting to put a 6b into that truck. I have a 67 project truck with one, and if my truck looked that rust free i wouldnt of cut the cab that much.

W_A_Watson_II · 07-04-2012, 02:59 PM

With the size of the engine compartment and the winshield NOT protruding over it I'd still look into if for a tow vehicle.

sickmoparfreak · 07-06-2012, 12:57 PM

Ive built 440's all my life. Build a cummins:500-600 hp 12 valve, and enjoy the truck forever. At least you'll be fixing u joints, and not changing ignition parts. The 440 will never have the torque or dependability. Its a lot easier to find farm diesel, than 93 octane in the woods......Remember, i love 440's...but there is NO contest here......

HacksawRam · 07-06-2012, 07:54 PM

Or do up a nice little 4BT to fit in there just perfect

mvanhelden · 07-06-2012, 09:33 PM

I usually hate big trucks, but this one is nice, would be a crime to cut fenders on this, I say stick to mud, or mild trails, hate to see this truck trashed. Or lower it, put some 35"s on it and show it. Yes I said this in a hard core forum, but go buy a beater and trash it, damn...........

Elwenil · 07-06-2012, 09:56 PM

Look a bit closer, the fenders and bed have already been trimmed.

W_A_Watson_II · 07-07-2012, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvanhelden

would be a crime to cut fenders on this, I say stick to mud, or mild trails

In order to run it properly in the Mud and Trails wouldn't you have to cut the fenders?

I like the idea as a tow rig for his Tractors and Toys.

Will

painter66 · 07-07-2012, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W_A_Watson_II

If that's the case, I'd sway back to a Cummins 6BT. Better for towing and should provide better fuel economy. Either way can't wait to see the results.

Will

This /\ what r u waiting on?

77PW · 07-16-2012, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOGANSTANFORTH

Any information on the axles?

They are closed knuckle dana80's front and rear. Rear end has a extra crossmember which houses 8 monotube gas shocks.

77PW · 07-16-2012, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwenil

Look a bit closer, the fenders and bed have already been trimmed.

The rear corners of the front fenders have had about 2inches shaved to clear the 44x21 super swampers on turns.

06-30-2012, 03:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
77PW Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Member # 212089 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 16	70 Power Wagon Monster Dilemna So my pops has a 1970 Power Wagon with 44x21 Super Swampers, Bearfield 80 closed knuckle axles and a 14" lift. Its been sitting now for sometime with no motor and he's been torn between a blown 440 S-code engine hes got or a 5.9/8.3 Cummins... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

06-30-2012, 08:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Country69 Hey Yall Watch This Join Date: Nov 2011 Member # 204026 Location: Tracy,Ca. Posts: 727	Nice truck. I vote Cummins. Send me the 440. Last edited by Country69; 07-03-2012 at 06:40 AM.

07-01-2012, 02:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
ffdustyw Rock God Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25517 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Posts: 1,942 Blog Entries: 2	I would stroker the 440 to a 512ci and be done. Forget the supercharger. Run a tunnelram with dual quad FAST Fuel Injection. Cummins would be cool but the Stroked 440 would win races! __________________ 97 Dodge 1500 Dueces, OEM spool/ARB, 54" Baja Claws, 16" Coilovers, Atlas II 3.8:1, PSC Full Hydro, Hughes Engines 408c.i. F.A.S.T/46re with 48re internals Kodiak Dodge Build:http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=702415 Dodge,Duck, Dip, Dive, & Dodge Last edited by ffdustyw; 07-01-2012 at 02:18 PM.

07-03-2012, 05:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
W_A_Watson_II Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 108302 Location: Central IL Posts: 281	WOW, more pictures and info. I'm with Dusty on the engine. __________________ powerwagon.wawii.com - 1946 & 1949 Dodge Power Wagon, 1953 Dodge M37 & W500 Dodge Power Wagon

07-03-2012, 07:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Elwenil Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41063 Location: Covington, VA Posts: 5,793	If he's going to use it to tow, I'd swap in a Cummins and get better tires. If he plans on playing with this truck more than towing, I'd put in the 440. __________________ 1988 Dodge AW450 Ramcharger - 318TBI - NP435 - NP205 - D60s

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77PW Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Member # 212089 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 16

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6erwebb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120439 Location: Franklin, Tn Posts: 149	Im not sure of the input youre looking for but Il go ahead and say what everyone else either will, or should. Go ahead and put the cummins in it and post a couple pics... then enjoy.

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mj23polaris Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Member # 189619 Posts: 103	440 Sent from my N860 using Tapatalk 2

07-01-2012, 02:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
fqdawld Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 84650 Location: hawaii, big island Posts: 68	thats a cool truck any more pic's? built 440 or stroked 512 would make a awsome toy.. mud bogger or even a cruiser cummins would make a bad ass tow rig

07-03-2012, 07:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
cookietruck Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Member # 220611 Posts: 4	i'd use whatever i had around. big block if you already have it. stroker motor would be cool, or a 451 low deck motor. 400 block/440 crank... even a regular 440 would make good power if it's built right.

07-03-2012, 09:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
LT. Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Member # 123976 Posts: 133	How do you plan on using the truck? LT.

07-03-2012, 07:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
77PW Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Member # 212089 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 16	the 440 with tunnel ram is what hes been thinking, he's a sucker when it comes to those damn things! Lol. And dusty, ive literally spent two days after I get off duty with the AF reading your build thread. Amazing truck! He plans on using it to tow his tractors and toys kind of as a flag ship for his mudder as well.

07-04-2012, 06:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
LOGANSTANFORTH Rock God Join Date: Aug 2009 Member # 140580 Location: LAKELAND FL/WISHING I WAS IN IRAQ... Posts: 1,877	Any information on the axles? __________________ 1996 DODGE 2500, 4X4, CUMMINS, 370'S, 5GSK, MACK PLUG, STUDS, SFI FLEX PLATE, DERALE DEEP PAN, EMS HUB KIT WITH 35 SPLINE INNER AND OUTTER MOSER AXLES, WARN GOLD LOCK-OUTS, 3 IN. LEVELING KIT, DUAL EDELBROCK REMOTE RESERVOIR SHOCKS, ROUGH COUNTRY STEERING STABILIZER, STEERING BOX BRACE.

07-04-2012, 02:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
3shadesofblack Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Member # 175317 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 28	That looks like a clean truck. I can tell you personaly there is a lot of cutting to put a 6b into that truck. I have a 67 project truck with one, and if my truck looked that rust free i wouldnt of cut the cab that much.

07-04-2012, 02:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
W_A_Watson_II Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 108302 Location: Central IL Posts: 281	With the size of the engine compartment and the winshield NOT protruding over it I'd still look into if for a tow vehicle. __________________ powerwagon.wawii.com - 1946 & 1949 Dodge Power Wagon, 1953 Dodge M37 & W500 Dodge Power Wagon

07-06-2012, 12:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
sickmoparfreak Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Member # 203002 Posts: 13	Ive built 440's all my life. Build a cummins:500-600 hp 12 valve, and enjoy the truck forever. At least you'll be fixing u joints, and not changing ignition parts. The 440 will never have the torque or dependability. Its a lot easier to find farm diesel, than 93 octane in the woods......Remember, i love 440's...but there is NO contest here......

07-06-2012, 07:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
HacksawRam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120269 Location: Fergus, Ontario Posts: 29	Or do up a nice little 4BT to fit in there just perfect

07-06-2012, 09:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
mvanhelden Went Rogue Join Date: Apr 2009 Member # 133589 Location: Hippys,Homeless,Weed&Casinos Posts: 1,911	I usually hate big trucks, but this one is nice, would be a crime to cut fenders on this, I say stick to mud, or mild trails, hate to see this truck trashed. Or lower it, put some 35"s on it and show it. Yes I said this in a hard core forum, but go buy a beater and trash it, damn........... __________________ 92' chevy 1500 shorty, ton's, doubler, nv4500 in the works. 99' Dodge Cummins, computer-less, flatbed, 5spd, way too much power, rice without bling

07-06-2012, 09:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
Elwenil Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41063 Location: Covington, VA Posts: 5,793	Look a bit closer, the fenders and bed have already been trimmed. __________________ 1988 Dodge AW450 Ramcharger - 318TBI - NP435 - NP205 - D60s

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