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Old 01-23-2009, 06:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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78 four door power wagon

im a complete newb when it comes to dodges but today I was given a 78 power wagon. I'm hoping to turn it into a hunting/ camping rig.
does anyone know what engine is in it? it has an edlebrock preformer intake manifold with a edlebrock carb









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It's a small block so most likely a 318 or 360. That's a pretty good truck for a freebie. Dodge 4 door 4WD trucks are sort of rare. It's an A/C truck also but the compressor has be removed. You could probably trade that for a nice running regular cab W200 pretty easy.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Check out powerwagon advertiser, its more friendly for newb questions and a lot of info there.
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Old 01-24-2009, 03:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well It might have an optional 4500 lb front which would be a Dana 60, but prolly is the stnd equip dana 44. The trans is a 727.

The frame is basically the same style as all d100 - w350 trucks including diesel 1972 to 1993, meaning that you can easily do a cummin'g's diesel conversion without much fab. That being said, yours most likely has the tallest beefiest frame.

Look out for body mount cracks, and cowl cracks. The lower door hinge pins might be worn on the driver's side as well. The rear doors are rare. The 4 door civilian crews are more rare in the military issue trucks. Most of the USAF trucks were surplus sold to forest service, and fire stations etc... After the USAF canceled their order in 1985, dodge stopped rolling them out.
Yours is the adventurer package. It wasn't a cheap truck to buy and I would bet that it was a special order rig...
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It has a divorced np205 xfer case I believe -
It's married, I'm certain.


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It's definitely a married NP203 full time 4WD transfer case. 1974 was the last year for the divorced NP205.

Also there are a lot of differences int he frames over the years with the Cummins trucks being the thickest. You could install a 6BT in this truck, but the fame is more akin to a normal W200/W250 than the late '80s, early '90s CTD trucks.
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thanks for the help, it is full time 4wd.
these are what the hubs look like


and the t-case
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That's the first crew cab I've ever seen with a dana 44 front. I wonder is someone robbed the 60 front out of it. Every crew I've seen has a 60 front and rear.

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That's the first crew cab I've ever seen with a dana 44 front. I wonder is someone robbed the 60 front out of it. Every crew I've seen has a 60 front and rear.

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Probably because it is a 250, not a 350, and NOT a Military rig. Being a longbed Crewcab 4x4 it is a pretty rare beast. IMHO, find a 1st gen Cummins truck and grab the axles out of it, along with the core support and motor mounts etc... then get a Ppump engine from a 94-early 98 Ram and a NV5600 trans, you'd be all set.


Or just get it running, replace what breaks and enjoy it.

As for those front hubs/ rotors. Boyce Equipment in Utah had crap loads of them from the M880 parts and truck inventories they had. Probably get them pretty cheap if you need them.

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Odd too that it has the in cab fuel tank. I don't remember any 78's having that, thought they were all the polys under the frame by 78
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Being a longbed Crewcab 4x4 it is a pretty rare beast.
I haven't ever been able to find any Factory Crew Cab 4x4 Long Bed trucks. At first I thought this was a short bed. It still looks like one to me but it must be an illusion. I have seen a lot of 2wd long bed crew cabs in AF Blue... These were non AC "custom" trim vehicles.

My W200 1972 model had a D70F Closed Knuckle Tracta Joint Style front. I Traded it to Joe at Mopar Truck Parts for some other goodies. I had it posted on Craigslist for 200 and he was the only one that emailed me. His warehouse is only minutes from where the crew is, so that worked out. I now have the D60 Front end from the diesel dodge underneath the Crew with help thanks to PBB member one_55_guy. The D70 diesel rear is under the of the crew now thanks to member crashnzuk.
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That's a short bed. Every longbed crew I've seen was 2wd.
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Was that truck on craigslist? When I first saw the pics I thought it looked familiar, then I see your from milton.
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yeah its a shortbed. i dont know if it was on craigslist, my sister is a leader of a 4-H club and one of the dads told me if i came and hauled it off he would give it to me.
it doesn't have spark so im going to try a coil and ignition box and see if it'll start
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Odd too that it has the in cab fuel tank. I don't remember any 78's having that, thought they were all the polys under the frame by 78

That's one of the oddities of the crewcabs. Even when the regular cab trucks got rid of the behind the seat tank (I think in '73) the crew cabs kept them until the late '70s. I suppose there is something about the cab that hangs down too low perhaps for the old style side tanks. Some of the '80s side tanks have an odd looking kick in the front of the tank that looks like it would sit under the cab a bit.
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That's one of the oddities of the crewcabs. Even when the regular cab trucks got rid of the behind the seat tank (I think in '73) the crew cabs kept them until the late '70s. I suppose there is something about the cab that hangs down too low perhaps for the old style side tanks. Some of the '80s side tanks have an odd looking kick in the front of the tank that looks like it would sit under the cab a bit.
We have a regular cab 76 Dodge brush truck with the in-cab tank.

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We have a regular cab 76 Dodge brush truck with the in-cab tank.

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That's pretty strange also. Both of my '74 model regular cabs were side tanks.
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What do you guys think of the in cab tanks, do you smell the fuel in the cab. I'm thinking of leaving the one in my Crew Cab to use as a Diesel Fuel Cell.
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My 81 and 83 Crewcabs both had standard poly tanks under the floor, and I swapped one from a 91 club cab cummins into the 83, fit perfectly, that is odd, I wonder why they kept the in cab tank later on the crew cabs..

As for the fuel smell, If you smell fuel around ANY tank in or out of the truck there is a problem IMHO.
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That's a short bed. Every longbed crew I've seen was 2wd.
I saw a longbed crew with a cab-over camper in Montana. It looked like it had been parked where it was for quite a while. I wanted to turn back and look at it, but it wasn't in the cards. I assumed it was converted, but don't know. There is a dude on TDR that did a longbed 4x4 swap in Montana, but after the work he did I don't think he would have left his truck like this one was left.
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Looking at the pics in the show yours thread, that truck isn't a 78. It is more like a 74, 75, or 76. 77 and 78 had the stupid looking upright turn signals in the grill next to the headlights.
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the title say its a 78 but the door sticker says made in oct. 77. it has a fuel filler in the bed and in the cab

its kinda had to see cuz of the bad angle
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The Chasie Cab's in this series had the fuel filler at the back of the cab with an in cab tank up thtrough 1978.

Prior to 1974 the fuel filler was in the cab regardless of the truck type, with the tank in the cab.

There is a photo in the Dodge Trucks by Bunn showing a 1977 Warlock with both an cab and bed fule filler. Could have been a miss-build, or Dodge's way of adding fuel capacity?

Based on how the filler cap looks (angle and sticker on it) on this truck, It could be that the owner added a tank to the cab, and to augment the capacity of the one under the bed.
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Old 02-01-2009, 09:36 AM   #24 (permalink)
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well i guess theres only the tank in the cab. the gas cap on the bed wouldn't come off so i looked under the bed and theres no tank.
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i would love to get my hands on one of these trucks.




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