Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Dana 60 Hub removal and converison to Ford Knuckles

[1workinman]

Originally Posted by 79fordgirl

:thumbsup: you're welcome!

First I also wont to thank you as it is a great up grade. Even the conversion kit that I have seen dont up grade the brakes. I dont mind a little bit of off set for better brakes. The tie rods are to small for the knuckels or do they need a kit or mods? thanks Jim

[HEEPJEEP]

You can run washers but the proper solution would be to run bigger diameter ends.

[1workinman]

Originally Posted by HEEPJEEP

You can run washers but the proper solution would be to run bigger diameter ends.

I am not sure about the washers. Are they tapered to make up the difference between the two. If so where can I buy these products? I would use them with red thread lock. thanks for any ideas Jim

[79fordgirl]

Originally Posted by 1workinman

I am not sure about the washers. Are they tapered to make up the difference between the two. If so where can I buy these products? I would use them with red thread lock. thanks for any ideas Jim

They are not tapered, they are just so you do not bottom the nut out on the thread.

[1workinman]

ok washers sound good to me. Thanks for the reply. Jim

[78stepsideUAK10]

I wasn't aware that the f250 ttb outers where the same as a d60

Saved me some money, all I had to do was go to the junkyard and find a hub instead of buying a new pair

I can't buying them unless I upgrade to 35 spline

[surfer5567]

Anyway to get a parts list? Will this work on an 01 dodge 2500?

[swirvin21]

negative....only works through 99. Axle changed in 2000.

[surfer5567]

Originally Posted by swirvin21

negative....only works through 99. Axle changed in 2000.

anyway to make anything other than the expensive hub kit work on an 01?

[nascarfreak88]

swap in a 99 or earlier axle

[swirvin21]

you can pick a lesser expensive kit....EMS Offroad has one, Spyntech (spelling), Dynatrac. You can also cut off the inner C's and go with Dedenbear parts, not that it would be any cheaper. I've been very happy with my EMS kit and it was well priced.

[rustyolred]

Originally Posted by swirvin21

negative....only works through 99. Axle changed in 2000.

What changed after 99?

[swirvin21]

the ball joints were flipped, so the inner C is different, which changes the knuckle and the brakes switched to a dual piston design.

[nascarfreak88]

She said her tires were toed out using the stock dodge steering, so that means the stock dodge stuff was too long?

Im in the middle of measuring for DOM and chevy tre's. The dom is going to be shipped to me threaded already as i dont have means of doing so.

Wondering if measuring the stock dodge stuff will be the correct lengths? It looks like the tre's on the ford knuckles mount alot lower then on the dodges.

79fordgirl, if you could measure for me that would great!

Just dropped almost $900 for new bjs, rotors, calipers, bearings bla bla bla. Just need the steering ordered and get all this in when the parts come

[HEEPJEEP]

Hers, just bolting the stock Dodge length in as it was, the toe was wrong, but there was plenty of adjustment to correct it.

She just took it from NH to Sarasota Florida towing a horse trailer and back in about 50 hours... Went perfect and getting awesome towing mileage too!

I will have her get a measurement of the length when she's home from work.

Are you doing "inverted t" steering with your Chevy parts?

[nascarfreak88]

yea gonna look like this-


looks like i just need the measurements from the center of each hole on the knuckle, then the center of the pitman arm to the center of the knuckle itself. i PMed her but kinda explained it wrong

i appreciate it.

ps- did she notice better mpg on that trip because of the lockouts?

[HEEPJEEP]

We can do that. Yeah we are getting 1-2 MPG better with a loaded truck running the lockouts. Depends how fast it is run. With 215/70R16's, 4.10's, and 85 MPH it's cranking around 2700 RPM...

Definitely does better around 60 MPH mileage wise.

[Seabass]

Awesome! What size wheels fit with ford knuckle/ brakes? 16.5 fit?

I read the thread but maybe I missed it. What was the fix for the different size wheel studs? or was just running the smaller studs the only choice?

[HEEPJEEP]

Originally Posted by Seabass

Awesome! What size wheels fit with ford knuckle/ brakes? 16.5 fit?

I read the thread but maybe I missed it. What was the fix for the different size wheel studs? or was just running the smaller studs the only choice?

16's will fit still. The smaller wheel studs were a mistake. Didn't realize the 78-79 wheel hubs we had kicking around were smaller studs than the newer wheel hubs we also had kicking around. Slapped the 78-79 ones on and realized it once we went to put the tires on. You can either buy the bigger wheel studs and put them in the wheel hubs that had smaller studs, or just get hubs with the right (bigger) wheel studs to start with...

[Seabass]

Since I'm a tard... I'm looking for a 80-94 srw f350 to grab all the parts off of and then cobble together. Ford tre's with dodge tie rods. Bam no more unit bearings?

[HEEPJEEP]

You can use the TTB50 parts (big 60 style wheel hubs) from ~80-96?

The 60 knuckles (which if you get a complete axle you don't need the above TTB50 parts) can come from ~91.5-97. Some where in this range they changed the knuckle and brake design. The earlier ones have the metal and plastic slide wedges while the newer ones use bolt on caliper brackets and slide pins/bolts. I know from personal experience at least the 96-97 are the newer style. I don't know when they transitioned (guessing 94 or 95???).

We have another 1997 axle chilling in the yard... She's been debating doing the swap on another one of our trucks or just putting king pins on...

[cumminspwr11]

im looking in to doing this on my 95 and im not too savy on what part u guys are actually using here, they are everything from the knucles out on a 94-97 f-350 truck? or is it a f 250?

[cumminspwr11]

wait i found my answer but how do you use the f 350 parts on a 2500 or did ford make a single rear f 350 in those years? or do you use the f 350 knuckles with the 250 spindles, hubs and rotors? im still kinda hazy on what parts are used

[HEEPJEEP]

Yes there were F350 SRW. 92-97 Dana 60 balljoint knuckles are what you need. You will also need Ford 60 stub shafts, Ford 60 or TTB50 spindles, and Ford 60 or TTB50 wheel hubs/rotors. What you CANNOT use from the TTB50 from what I am told is the knuckle. Apparently the TTB50 knuckles have a different ball joint angle/configuration (I have not personally verified).

[82F100SWB]

TTB 50 STUBS will NOT work! They use a 1350 driveline style axle joint, not the D60 1480 joint.
The balljoint spacing, angle, and the lower balljoint(smaller) are different.
All that will fit a 60 from a 50 is the hub, bearings, rotor and lockout. The D50 spindle has a shorter index on the knuckle side than a 60 spindle, on a balljoint axle, it will engage the knuckle, so you could use it. On a kingpin, it will not and is unsafe to use, I know we aren't talking kingpin here but, I have seen it stated one too many times that a 50 spindle will fit a 60.

F250's did not get factory installed 60's, but there are plenty of them out there that have been swapped, as it is a direct bolt in.

As for the brakes, the 92-94 trucks have the old style rubber wedge caliper retainer and a 12.5" rotor, 95-97 use the bolt on calipers which are a little larger and a 13" rotor, both will clear a 16" wheel with no issues, as thats what came stock.