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Old 08-31-2010, 11:20 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I've put the 1750 mount up on the website. You can buy it here. Don't forget the pirate4x4 coupon and you'll get a total of 20% off with the sale.

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I bought Deka Intimidators by East Penn.

Our resident battery expert here (the experience 3000) insisted that East Penn was the shit when it comes to batteries. So far, I'd agree with him.

I put Intimidators in both TJs, two military 2HN batteries in the Mighty Mite, and a "regular" Deka in my F150. Love 'em.
x2 on the Deka Intimidator. Everyone who has used 'em has nothing but praise, and they cost less than Optimas and MUCH less than Odysseys.

Also, the X2 sold by Batteries Plus is just a Deka Intimidator with BP's label on it. I bought a pair, and they work great.
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Right, only one truly shitty battery. My Odyssey didn't last 3 months and their warranty is a fucking joke. That was about 7 years ago and I'm still running the same Yellowtop that I replaced it with now. In fact, its been sitting on a shelf in my shop the past 2 years which is suppossedly what kills Optimas yet I used it to jump my brother's buggy off a month or two ago. I'm Optima Yellow Top all the way.
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Optimas from 7 years ago are the best batteries around. Optimas today are several steps below a Wal-Mart NeverStart.
Quoted for Truth. I've gone through at least 6 red tops in the last 2 years in vehicles that get driven once a month tops and spend the rest of the time with the batteries disconnected. Finally got sick of dealing with the hassle of warrantying a battery every time I wanted to use my rig, got the parts store to exchange the ones in street driven vehicles for normal lead acid batteries, and the others have been replaced with PowerMaster XS Powers.

The Powermaster is in the same case as the Odyssey and I'm pretty sure they are made in the same factory, but according to our reps at PM the lead they use is held to a higher quality control standard. We've had fantastic luck with them in the crawlers, and after seeing Dustin anchor the KOH TJ to my diesel and then use both front and rear winches to drag his 65' long Toterhome and trailer roughly 200yards burried to the axles in sand running on only one 925 I'm completely sold on their durability.
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The Powermaster is in the same case as the Odyssey and I'm pretty sure they are made in the same factory.
I wonder if our Odyssey mounts will fit them if they are the same case?

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I'm sure they will, at least for the 925. I use an old trashed odyssey to mockup mounting for the XS Power version. They are identical physically.
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The Powermaster is in the same case as the Odyssey and I'm pretty sure they are made in the same factory, but according to our reps at PM the lead they use is held to a higher quality control standard.
Good to know. Thanks for the info.
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but according to our reps at PM the lead they use is held to a higher quality control standard.
Odyssey claims they use 99.99% pure virgin lead not a lead alloy. Maybe PM uses 99.999%. Reps will say anything I've learned but its the performance of that tractor pull on that trailer on a 925 that is impressive.

Either way, if my Odyssey mounts fit both, that would be awesome.

A bunch of people must have been waiting for the Odyssey PC 1750/Sear DH P2 mounts because we got a bunch of orders last night. Thanks for the orders.
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I used to run the Red Optimas in all my rigs. They slowly started dying off over the years so I replaced them with Deka's. Unlike the reds, I haven't had one of those Deka's not be able to take a new charge & still operate.
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Reps will say anything I've learned but its the performance of that tractor pull on that trailer on a 925 that is impressive.
That's very true, reps will say anything for a sale sometimes, but at that time we were still a sponsored team, and had a long relationship with them. They were giving us the batteries at that time, so there was no reason to give a sales pitch. We had run Odysseys for a couple seasons and had pretty good luck, but had also killed one or 2 (I have one of them as my mockup battery now). We've never been able to kill one of the XS batteries, and have done some fucked up things to them, so I tend to believe that SOMETHING is different internally. I pay full pop for them now, and have no complaints about their price tag because I feel it's worth it to not have to worry about if my rig will start or not.


Those are some really nice boxes BTW. I especially like the double 925 box. I'll be keeping those in mind for future projects for sure.
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If weight and size isn't an issue, pretty much any Group 31 style battery is a good bet, I personally have been running cat batteries as of late, but the only G31 I've had issues with was an optima... LOL
Considering the temperature cycling a battery sees in my climate, an expensive battery for the DD is a bad move, never had a battery of any sort last more than 4 years.
The PC2150 has been on my want list for the wheeling rig for a while, but, I'm just comparing the specs with the cat 115-2422 I have in there, the difference in specs aren't all that big and don't justify nearly triple the price to me, especially since I have no need for mounting in anything but a standard position.
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Those are some really nice boxes BTW. I especially like the double 925 box. I'll be keeping those in mind for future projects for sure.
Thanks, it's only about the size of a regular 34 optima so it fits nicely. I like your paper towel holders. Who knew?!?

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The PC2150 has been on my want list for the wheeling rig for a while, but...don't justify nearly triple the price to me, especially since I have no need for mounting in anything but a standard position.
Check out the Sears DieHard Platinum PM-1. Relabeled Odyssey just with accessory terminals too. Then hold it down with one of my mounts with all the money you save.

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x2 on the Deka Intimidator. Everyone who has used 'em has nothing but praise, and they cost less than Optimas and MUCH less than Odysseys.

Also, the X2 sold by Batteries Plus is just a Deka Intimidator with BP's label on it. I bought a pair, and they work great.
Do you have a model number for this BP battery? I looked up X2 and came up empty
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Do you have a model number for this BP battery? I looked up X2 and came up empty
No, sure don't. For some reason it's not on BP's website. Best bet would be to visit your local BP. I got the group 34 size battery. I actually called up East Penn, and they confirmed that the X2 is indeed their Intimidator battery with BP's label on it - no difference. Since I bought 2 at the same time, BP gave me a 10% discount. I ended up paying $140 per battery, $305 out the door for both (with tax). Not too shabby IMO.
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I've good luck with Orbital Batteries... I own 7 in 5 differen't Vehicles and I have never had a problem.

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I'm having good luck with my Exide Orbital, great warranty also if it quits!
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As for optimas, I read a post by a guy that works for Johnson Controls, and asked internally what was up. Basically he said they fixed the QC problems and anything made after Nov '09 should be good to go.
Considering they never publicly owned up to their shit sucking ass as of late, I'll still stay away and rank Walmart above them. Maybe 5-10 years of stellar consistent performance from their products will change my mind.

Unless they want to do the right thing and change out a 4-5 year old or so red top that sucked ass right from the get go. I never bothered warrantying it because I knew the next one would suck ass, just as the one after that. Why abuse myself.

By sucking ass - the only thing it can do is start an engine, and it couldn't even do that all the time without being put on a charger. An 8yo OEM battery kicked it's ass when new.
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I wouldn't know how good they are now, no one I know will buy one, including me.
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Try kinetik batteries they are the best on the market they control the car stereo market (way more abusive) , look online, read reviews Im the rep for this company and have seen them used in several different applications these things are bulletproof you wont regret it
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Try kinetik batteries they are the best on the market they control the car stereo market (way more abusive) , look online, read reviews Im the rep for this company and have seen them used in several different applications these things are bulletproof you wont regret it
Feel free to send me one for trial. I'll write a full report, with pics, and correct spelling. I even know how to use a voltmeter and an ammeter.

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Considering they never publicly owned up to their shit sucking ass as of late, I'll still stay away and rank Walmart above them. Maybe 5-10 years of stellar consistent performance from their products will change my mind.

Unless they want to do the right thing and change out a 4-5 year old or so red top that sucked ass right from the get go. I never bothered warrantying it because I knew the next one would suck ass, just as the one after that. Why abuse myself.

By sucking ass - the only thing it can do is start an engine, and it couldn't even do that all the time without being put on a charger. An 8yo OEM battery kicked it's ass when new.
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