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Old 07-19-2008, 12:02 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Hey Root Moose, that guy asking about what rig to buy lives in Ohio (or at least his sig says as much) so the RHD TLC's are out for him. They can't import them into the U.S.

But the XJ is a good one to build on, the 4.0 is pretty reliable, last a couple hundred thousand miles without much complaining. As for mileage on 33's, if i ever get the lift installed on my '98, i'll let you know.
With 31's i was getting 400-420 km's to a tank, and keeping it up around 110-115 kph.

A mount for a laptop...
There is a kickass one, no idea what the company name is, but i could find out. It's got 3-4 elbows and they all tighten down. You can swivel the thing around, raise it up, and they have custom mounts depending on the vehicle make/model. I've seen one in a friend's Ram and it was solid, and nice in terms of movement.
those are RAM mounts tight?

yes, i am from ohio. haha. i think ill go xj. maybe a later model xj. whats a good suspension for a expo xj? i dont want soem crawler crap for it. something good at high speeds and decent cornering, on and off road. also, what abotu a zj with a 4.0l? ehat about suspensions for a zj (same requirements as the xj)? they are confy, haha... im am DEFINATELY interested in laptop mount. id like to be able to mount it and still have room for a pass. also, who makes a good GPS card for laptops? thanks!
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:12 PM   #253 (permalink)
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Hey Root Moose, that guy asking about what rig to buy lives in Ohio (or at least his sig says as much) so the RHD TLC's are out for him. They can't import them into the U.S.
Are you sure about that? I thought there was a bunch of guys on the ih8mud site that had imported rhd's into the US. I may be wrong - only half pay attention to that site.
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yes, i am from ohio. haha. i think ill go xj. maybe a later model xj. whats a good suspension for a expo xj? i dont want soem crawler crap for it. something good at high speeds and decent cornering, on and off road. also, what abotu a zj with a 4.0l? ehat about suspensions for a zj (same requirements as the xj)? they are confy, haha... im am DEFINATELY interested in laptop mount. id like to be able to mount it and still have room for a pass. also, who makes a good GPS card for laptops? thanks!
You'll get twice as many answers about the best suspension as the number of people you ask.

On an XJ I'm a big fan of the long arm stuff. Any of TNT, FullTraction or Clayton would be good. Partial to the FT lately because it is four link versus radius arm. I don't like the RockKrawler three link and BDS is newish and I don't know much about it.

There's also the Rubicon Express drop bracket setup. Plenty stout and flexy for a "expo" style build.

I'd take a WJ over a ZJ.

Do you have kids or plan to have kids? If not a two door XJ would be a cool setup.

I'm basically watching the clock count until the day my boys are too big for the back of the XJ.

The XJ is pretty plush compared to some of the rigs I've had. Definitely a decent ride that you can drive all day and not get beat up.
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You'll get twice as many answers about the best suspension as the number of people you ask.

On an XJ I'm a big fan of the long arm stuff. Any of TNT, FullTraction or Clayton would be good. Partial to the FT lately because it is four link versus radius arm. I don't like the RockKrawler three link and BDS is newish and I don't know much about it.

There's also the Rubicon Express drop bracket setup. Plenty stout and flexy for a "expo" style build.

I'd take a WJ over a ZJ.

Do you have kids or plan to have kids? If not a two door XJ would be a cool setup.

I'm basically watching the clock count until the day my boys are too big for the back of the XJ.

The XJ is pretty plush compared to some of the rigs I've had. Definitely a decent ride that you can drive all day and not get beat up.
yeah, im thinking xj proally. though i like the disco's one early 90's range rovers. though peopel say they suck? i dont see how. how tall of a lift do i need to run? it will be a DD also. what about later land cruisers? what do you think? id liek to buy a good running rig for about 1500-2000 and build it into a good expo rig over a year or so.
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It is nice to see a late model GM truck done right for a change instead of the usual chromed out IFS lift kits, 22+ bling bling wheels and wanna be off-road tires.
Nice work!
thanks, its now on some 41 inch radial iroks and black steel rock crawlers. The aluminum factory rims were getting chipped up real bad from abuse on the edges. And it seems I can no longer easily find the michelin xls locally I went with a tire I could easily get a added bonus is I run irok on the buggy... so spares for one will work on the other
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yeah, im thinking xj proally. though i like the disco's one early 90's range rovers. though peopel say they suck? i dont see how. how tall of a lift do i need to run? it will be a DD also. what about later land cruisers? what do you think? id liek to buy a good running rig for about 1500-2000 and build it into a good expo rig over a year or so.
LRs in general can have some problems. This is second hand info so take it with a grain of salt.

If you get a Disco with lots of accessories like power windows and such there can be gremlins.

Rust can be a problem. The steel under the aluminum panels can rust badly. The seam where the roof attaches to the outer panels can be a problem to.

They leak (windows, sun roofs).

The engine is really sensitive to overheating. If they get overheated there is a potential for a cylinder lining dropping in its bore. (Rover V8 is all aluminum)

They get horrible gas mileage and are underpowered for the amount of gas they burn.

Probably other stuff I'm forgetting.

That said, I love the look of the trucks. Swapping a SBC/4L60E into one would be pretty cool (Mark's adapters). IF we got the diesels over here I'd be all over one and deal with the more minor niggly stuff that goes wrong.

Supposedly the 97+ Discos are a touch better than the earlier ones - that is when BMW owned them and had gotten some QA into the factory lines. May be heresay, read it on the internet.

How much lift? For an expo rig design around the tire size that makes sense with your engine and tire availability. I'm a fan of 265/75R16 and 285/85R16. Sort of the standard full size pickup truck tire sizes that you can get anywhere. That's a 32" or 33" tire but a little narrower than the normal floatation sizes. For something with more than a 105-110" wheelbase I'd start looking at 35" tires. The big thing with an expo rig is not to get too carried away with tire size and height.

In your price range, XJ is pretty much all you can do. You won't get a good TLC for that price range. You could get a decent FZJ80 for around $6-8k I think. Same with FJ6x. It will need some work though. For that price range you could get a built XJ if you look around. There is a really sweet, stroked SWB MJ for sale in Wisconsin right now if a pickup is your thing. I think he is asking $4.5k. Stock height, but lots of other stuff done.

Best year for the XJ? IMO, '99.
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yeah, im thinking xj proally. though i like the disco's one early 90's range rovers. though peopel say they suck? i dont see how. how tall of a lift do i need to run? it will be a DD also. what about later land cruisers? what do you think? id liek to buy a good running rig for about 1500-2000 and build it into a good expo rig over a year or so.
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In your price range, XJ is pretty much all you can do. You won't get a good TLC for that price range. You could get a decent FZJ80 for around $6-8k I think. Same with FJ6x. It will need some work though.
I think when you look at all of the costs involved getting a FZJ-80 with E-Lockers for 5k ( http://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-tra...ing-%245k.html ) is going to be the cheapest way to go by the time you get to the finished project. A factory locked 80 series is going to have a rear full float axle with discs, a fully boxed frame and big enough wheel wells to do this with 37" tyres:



The downside is that it is not going to be great on gas, I have a diesel 80 so that issue is not an issue for me.
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I think you are being a little optimistic with $5k for a 80 with lockers. I'm not saying they aren't out there but...

There is a lot of service that needs to go into a 80 at that price range to make it expo ready.

Check out the ih8mud forums and do a little digging on the costs after purchase that some people have had to go through. If you do some research there don't get freaked out by the talk of head gasket issues on the 1FZ. I think that may be a red herring - kinda like the 0331 cylinder head issue on the last XJs. Sure, it happens but rare... and the fix is not a big deal if you can spin your own wrenches.

That said, I think the 80 just might be the one of the best rigs out there. They are a touch large but that doesn't bother me.

You'd be farther ahead cost wise with the 80 but low purchase price on the XJ means that you can upgrade incrementally and add stuff as budget allows. The 80 is a higher quality vehicle too.

Depends on what you want.

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The downside is that it is not going to be great on gas, I have a diesel 80 so that issue is not an issue for me.
What kinda mpg you figure you are getting running 37s?

What speed do you cruise at? 110-120km/h? Faster?

How much does it cost to fill from empty and how many kms out of the tank?
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thanks for all the info guys. i found a good beater fj80 that need some engine work and he will deliver it! im going to look into it. i have to look into things maybe. i dont know yet. im still open to any advice or opinions.
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Make a short list of the trucks that fit what you want.

Go drive a few examples of each.

After that it'll be a no brainer.
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We just got back from that trip. Spent 4-days traveling all over central and southeast Oregon (800 miles & about 80-90% off-road). We're really only limited by how far we can travel between gas stops (I've got about a 225 mile range when my XR650R is outfitted with a 6 gallon tank). We carry 2-3 days of food with us, but can usually count on re-stocking wherever we buy gas. Water is a bigger concern. We each carried a 100oz Camelbak and another gallon of water between the two of us. If we ran low, there was plenty of water to filter where we were riding. We're basically just traveling with lightweight backpacking gear, so that should give you a pretty good idea of what type of stuff we carry. I've been having a lot more fun riding dirt bikes than working on trucks since we moved up to Bend. There are just so many places we can go that I couldn't take any of our trucks.
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Oh yeah. On this particular trip, we could have probably taken a well-prepared truck through most of the places we went, but we ride a mix of REALLY tight woods and singletrack and more of the wide open stuff that you see in those pics. It just depends on where we're riding.
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many of the larger expedition trucks i have seen have one or more bikes for local exploration or tight trails. A side by side or two person quad would be cool too and should take the same room as two bikes..

Has anyone done short expeditions 2-4 days on a side by side or quad bike, using off highway trails or routes??

EDIT: watching Fisher's ATV Adventures now on Versus. This show covers 1000 miles in Mexico on side by sides. Some footage shows travel on paved roads and through rural communities, but the vast majority seems to be off road....

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What kinda mpg you figure you are getting running 37s?

What speed do you cruise at? 110-120km/h? Faster?

How much does it cost to fill from empty and how many kms out of the tank?
Around 16-18 US MPG @ 110-115km/h on the highway, at 80-90km/h it does quite a bit better.

Around town etc. I get 500-550km from a tank and have seen as high as 700km from a tank in BC when travelling on secndary highways.

Lately it has been around $100 to fill it with diesel @ 1.30/l.
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man i love my jeep but i would love for it to be a diesel. however for what i do its not worth it to do a swap so its staying gas.
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Yeah, that's the thing with a diesel conversion. You really have to want it to make it worthwhile because it is unlikely that you'll get it back in the difference at the pump. I was thinking about it for the XJ just to get a feel for it. For the difference of 3-6 mpg on a built rig minus the difference in gas prices versus diesel prices it would take a long time to recoup your money. Would probably get there on the next rebuild of the diesel perhaps? May be an exaggeration but it would be a long time regardless.

There's a few photos floating around of the trip computer in a KJ reading ~33 mpg. I gotta wonder how realistic that is in the day to day though. Following the land cruiser stuff none of them seem to get out of the low to mid 20s mpg. UK gallons at that AFAIK. The KJ wasn't really built either.

If you were looking at getting into a new rig that came diesel then there'd be no question in my mind, go diesel.

Gas is so much cleaner and convenient too, if you are concerned with such things. Outside of your normal stomping grounds you can pull into any gas station and fuel up. Around here you have to know which stations have diesel.

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Here's my rig, not much done wheel/suspension wise, I've got an Offy intake, 600CFM (soon to be down jetted) Holley, and a hooker header all to help it breath better. Being close to 700 miles away from it I can't do much to progress the plans...

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This rig goes ANYwhere, and is for sale

Here is a Pinzgauer with Mattrax for sale just outside of Telluride, CO. Wild!


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I shudder to think what they are asking for that. I imagine the price is about as shocking as the top speed of that thing, lol.
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Here is my 07 Toy FJ TRD SE called the Raptor. Just got back from Ouray, CO. And spent 3 days on the Kokopelli Trail, camping on Top of the World, then ran Hell's Revenge in MOAB.



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