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Old 06-17-2012, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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95 powerstroke HPOP and fuel system.

Any opinions on an Adrenaline HPOP and Airdog Fuel systems?

My HPOP is getting weak and sometimes after letting it set for a few days will take some serious cranking to fill back up with oil and fire off. I already have a new Melling Low pressure oil pump to throw on it cause the front main seal is leaking anyways and might as well change it while I'm in there. Looks like the Adrenaline HPOP comes with an "anti-drainback" valve for the 94-95 powerstrokes which apparently all have an issue with this.

Also while I'm doing this I figured I'd drop a bit more coin and pick up an Airdog Fuel system for my powerstroke to do away with the crappy fuel bowl in the valley and the mechanical fuel pump.

I did some searching on thedieselstop.com but it seems like that place is dead anymore. Any other better and more active diesel sites these days?

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Old 06-17-2012, 10:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hpop - Look at the new stealth 1.1. It will blow and adrenaline out of the water. If you are using stock injectors or mild upgrades an Adrenaline will do fine but the new 1.1 stealth is supposed to really help at low rpm.

Airdog is a lift pump replacement that filters the fuel with water and air separation. It can not replace the factory mechanical pump. To do that with the air dog, you need a super duty fuel pump and post pump filter plus fuel regulator and all the hoses.
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for the powerstrokes, powerstrokenation is where its at. i'm on there as well and always find good threads about basic upgrades like this.

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/index.php

adrenaline pump i have

i also have the stage 1 injectors from ktperformance (full force diesel)

i still have the mechanical pump and bowl.

im quite satisfied with the mods ive mentioned and would recommend them to anyone looking for a mild upgrade.

however, you may want to replace the ipr while you have the hpop in your hand.
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm only running some stage 1 DIY injectors from rosewood diesel, with no real plans to ever go larger so I doubt I would see a lot of advantage with a big oil HPOP like that stealth 1.1... although it sure does look nice! I know I'm running out of high pressure oil when I really get into it and would of course like it to stop doing that, and also I think the majority of my starting issues would go away with the new LPOP and HPOP (and new glow plugs which I already have just need to install.)

I was planning on changing out the IPR along with the HPOP since it says in the adrenaline description that it uses the 96-03 IPR without edge filter, whereas mine should have the filter since it's a 95. I have had issues with my IPR before getting crud in it and keeping it open so that the system couldn't build pressure and start. It was below zero out when it happened so that was a fun one to fix.

Ok so I guess I should have linked the Airdog system I was talking about:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110360931497...witem=&vxp=mtr

It's got a 150gph pump, but that's not enough to do away with the stock mechanical fuel pump? It doesn't say what pressure it is though... What kind of pressure do these powerstrokes need to see at the head? If I remember right it was around 70psi, but good lord it's been a long time since I've read up on it. What's the easiest/cheapest route to take when re-doing the fuel system. I'm not against having to piece stuff together to make it work, but I also liked the idea of having a system like the Airdog with the fuel pump and filters all in one unit. As far as i see it there's less chance for leaks and whatnot and it looks much cleaner.

Any other fuel systems out there that are better as far as you guys are concerned or just as good but cheaper?

Off to search superduty pumps and browse around on powerstrokenation to see if I can learn more about all this!
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Holy crap there's a wealth of info on there. Much better than thedieselstop.com!

This thread really helped me understand the fuel system more...

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/...=68965&page=10

Although that guy went a bit above and beyond on the fancy side with stainless hose and AN fittings and machined aluminum mounting brackets and whatnot!
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If its hard/ long starts after it sits a few days or even hours, you may have a leakdown in the hpop reservoir.

After you install the new pump make sure the base for the reservoir has plenty of sealant on all mounting surfaces. If not you'll have very bad leakdown and may not run at all.

Through your searching you may come across some threads where people have incorrectly put things together



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May look into running a 6.0 pump. I took mine off a junked 06 seems to work well with my adrenaline and 238s on my OBS.
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all you need is a factory fuel pump. they are damn near bulletproof.
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all you need is a factory fuel pump. they are damn near bulletproof.
Factory as in the factory mechanical fuel pump that's already on there or the factory superduty electric fuel pump? I really would like to get all that crap out of the valley on my engine though. Would make working on things a lot easier!
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What are you trying to do with the truck? hp goal?
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I was talking about the electric fuel pump. the mechanical one leaves a lot to be desired.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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My HP goal really isn't much... just whatever I can get with some stage 1 injectors, the stock turbo, good fuel and good High Pressure Oil. Basically I want something dead nuts reliable and would like to get rid of my leaky HPOP, stock fuel system, and replace the leaking front main seal and oil pump while I'm in there. Also plan on rearranging both my batteries to the drivers side fender and building some nice and heavy cables for them. (Can you tell I'm really tired of hard starts?)

It runs pretty good as it is right now and I'm quite happy with it although I'm sure it will run even a bit better/smoother with the upgrades I mentioned. So far I have a BD downpipe to 4" straight pipe exhaust, Deleted the EBPV on the turbo, Tymar style intake, IDM mod, DIY stage 1 injectors from Rosewood Diesel, Bullydog extreme chip (Yeah I know I need to get some new tunes...) Western Diesel Pyro, Boost, and tranny temp gauges (was originally an auto, now a standard), South Bend Con FE clutch, (shoulda got a less grippy clutch but I'll live with it!). I'm sure there's some stuff I'm forgetting too. Swapped in a Dana 60 front and am running 37" radial humvee tires.

Ok so far I picked up a Bosch fuel pump for a superduty. There was no bracket with it so I'll have to make my own. From what I see I want it cushioned to the extreme. Cushioned all around the fuel pump itself, and then rubber mounts to the frame as well. Also have a NAPA 3405 fuel/water separator, 3528 fuel filter, and two 4770 bases coming here soon... Oh and an oil pressure switch to wire up the elec pump through too.
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Both batteries on the passenger side is eaiser, and closer to the starter. That's how my truck is. You may want to check your oil temp sensor. Make sure its working properly as that's where the ecu gets the temp from for the glow plugs.
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Both batteries on the passenger side is eaiser, and closer to the starter. That's how my truck is. You may want to check your oil temp sensor. Make sure its working properly as that's where the ecu gets the temp from for the glow plugs.
I have no idea why I said drivers side... I was being a tard. I meant pass side!
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What trans are you running? ZF5?
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also double check the plugs in the back of the heads........these will leak oil from the hpo rail thats built into the heads and cause a leak down and slow starts........mine did the same thing

honestly with your setup and stock 17* hpop from a sd and send it to, i cant remember exactly who at this minute, and the will switch the guts from the 17 into your 15 and you will have no problems........sounds like your truck is going in the same direction as mine......at the moment im intercooled on a sd ic with the custom pipes the guy sells off ebay, 3" dp with a 4" exhaust, and chipped with a ts 6 position that i leave on the 75hp setting and get over 20 mpg's........i have 2 sd electric pumps sitting here and gathering the parts for that to get rid of the fuel bowl, and saving for my stage 2's from rosewood and having that company do a 17* for it.......i dont drag with it or anything just want the power to haul my junk around
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I didn't think of it til i read the post above. Terminator Performance will work over your 15 degree pump for less than 200 I think. I BELIEVE it will out flow a stock 17, but look into that before you spend your cash.
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I will definitely check them out! Any reason a stock superduty HPOP won't just bolt right up, or that a mechanically inclined person couldn't swap his own parts over? (Thanks for getting the gears in my head a turning allornothin)

Although if it really is approximately $200 bucks I doubt I could do it any cheaper than that...

Looks like more reading up on the topic is in order.
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if you had a late 96 or 97 you would have no problem just bolting on the sd hpop.......the 94.5 and 95's drain back diffrently from the hpop so i requires milling work.........the gears inside do just swap over but require shims like a ring and pinion if im not mistaken
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if you had a late 96 or 97 you would have no problem just bolting on the sd hpop.......the 94.5 and 95's drain back diffrently from the hpop so i requires milling work.........the gears inside do just swap over but require shims like a ring and pinion if im not mistaken
I just picked up a FASS fuel regulator off e-bay. Should get the job done. Was looking at an Aeromotive one, but it had an fittings... FASS has pipe.

Milling and shimming huh? Sounds easy! Is there any pics showing what needs to be done anywhere or will I just have to order an SD Pump myself and make it work?
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do a search on here and you will find a big how to........you either have to mill the front motor cover or swap guts
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Ok so I searched powerstrokenation and found where a guy had done the mod to fit a superduty pump onto a 94-95 powerstroke. He had to get the newer reservoir and then drill a new drain hole to match up with the standpipe in the reservoir and block off the old drain hole. How does the adrenaline HPOP deal with this as I notice they have an HPOP with an anti-drainback feature which costs $45 bucks more. If it actually works as it is supposed to???

Do they sell you the reservoir and basically tell you to do the same thing as found here: http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/...ad.php?t=27532

Or is it something within the pump itself? Basically I ask because for $735 for the adrenaline pump vs $380 for a new superduty pump plus god only knows what for part # F6TZ-6658-AA newer style reservoir (I'm going to guess at least $100 from ford cause their shit's not cheap) = only a $225 dollar difference. If the adrenaline is just a bolt on deal then fuck it I don't want to go drilling on my front engine cover and trying to keep shavings out of the engine if I don't have to!

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right as i said its not worth it to even try all that work to do the swap......i still cant find the company that swaps the guts.......they did it for free because they kept the 17* housing to use in ones they make........i have a hook up at ford and can get the hpop for 218 but the main problem is on the lower case thats like the front cover is where the issue lies......you have to get one of those off a 99 up also
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Gary at Stealth can mod your pump..just provide him a 17* pump and he'll do it for shipping..
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