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Old 10-17-2012, 03:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok so I understand most people hate the ttb but at the same time I know that there are a few people who have built the ttb and been happy with it. I was wondering if we could get some pictures of all the rigs that people have built ttb and still use it for their type of wheeling or at least a few links to some built threads. Just to put something out there for the guys that don't need an SAS for the wheeling near them.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No pics but my f150 with a 3" bodylift and 33" bfg at's wheels and crawls rocks like a mofo
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I did try search and I haven't been able to find anything satisfying.
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At minimum 4" lift with extended RA's, TTB pivot drop brackets, and an alignment. At least a rear locker, front and rear is better with the front being selectable. I wouldn't go over a 35" tire to crawl a bit with TTB. I did, but not for long as 37's caused more bendage, breakage, and ti was hard or impossible to turn the steering wheel in the rocks. Even with 35's I would expect to beef-up the steering rods which will bend, plan on upgraded or grenaded U-joints, and swap-in a D50 slip joint for it's strength. Moving the TRE's over the knuckles also helps.

I also learned how to align it myself as I needed to do so pretty often. Then I road along in a built early bronco and was amazed at how much more stable and predictable it was with a solid front axle and forced articulation. TTB travels well, will reach down in a hole but there is nothing forcing it and holding it steady. There is no support until a much greater weight shift occurs as the rig rolls forward the rig leans down into the hole. Not a very comfortable feeling compared to how a solid axle behaves!

Now, When you look at the above mods, A D44 SAS is not that expensive, your existing carrier and outers will work or act as spares and it will rock moderate to 7 rated trails with no problem.

That said, ya, as you suggest it is not necessary if you don't rock crawl more than a moderate, 5 maybe 6 rated trail and detrimental if you also like go fast stuff as well.

I went up to a 6" spring on TTB, Then a D44 SAS and finally built a 609 with True Hi9. I got bored with rock crawlin' pretty quick. It wasn't something most of my friends rigs were built for and my family lost interest. We do much more together now with a mildly built 93 F150 with 4" lifted TTB and 33's.

Hope this helps, long winded and bored this am.

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ttb for the vast majority of multi purpose works really well for mid duty work.

for basic low cost total effectiveness 4x4 junkie here has a current operating long term rig that to me sets the standard. a recent build by brinker 88 is also an excellent example of working with what you got cost effectively.


did you pm me for pics at the rrorc board? if not i can pull out the pics from a previous setup.
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I'm not sure the OP was asking for how to build a multipurpose TTB rig or what/where you think it's shortcomings are... His post pretty clearly asks for examples of already-built rigs that work.


Mine is in my sig down below \/ \/

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Hey thanks for the comments Bobby (you posted while I was posting lol).
I've always been pretty happy with it, which gives me little reason to make any significant changes to it (in spite of what some others think I should do to it ).
It has remained (for the most part) the same since '05 and still takes me through all the trails California's Sierra Mtns have to offer, proving it's long-term reliability to be quite good as well.



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Jeeze, y'all are way over thinking this. I ran the box last weekend in a ranger... stock TTB with a 3" body lift



Okay, so it does have a 5:1 atlas, lockright up front, LS out back, jeep hubs and 35s... but pretty much stock.

I've been rocking this setup under a couple rigs. I feel very confident in it.
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I'm not sure the OP was asking for how to build a multipurpose TTB rig or what/where you think it's shortcomings are... His post pretty clearly asks for examples of already-built rigs that work.
A guy tries to help. I have and have had good multipurpose TTB rigs, asshat.

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Hey fuck you! I have and have had good multipurpose TTB rigs, asshat.

Can't take a little friendly ribbing?? (note the and not )?? Asshat
































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Ok so I understand most people hate the ttb but at the same time I know that there are a few people who have built the ttb and been happy with it. I was wondering if we could get some pictures of all the rigs that people have built ttb and still use it for their type of wheeling or at least a few links to some built threads. Just to put something out there for the guys that don't need an SAS for the wheeling near them.
this is as multi purpose a ttb crawler as it gets. over 20 years of pounding the holy living hell out of my ranger and beat it to fawking death as a work truck as well.....it gets driven 1500 miles or more one way just to go to work. if that is not a big bill to fill i dont know what is.


these are some base pics for the typical complaints of ttb... note the bad steering angles, funky toe in and camber etc... this kills parts and tires and is hard to control steering when going up hill hard unloaded....the cure for it was a development with junkyard parts over time that made it really work well all around.



these are very old pics, but it is a true work truck to this day. its a truck first, trail maching second.






note the toe in control..





people often tell me ttb cant do this fully compress and extend like a straight axle




looks fully compressed to me.





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shock limited down travel....















one way to accomplish the toe and tire wear issues it is 10-20 dollars worth of junkyard shopping for steering parts.







airbags in soft coils make up the other key element....
but without extended radius arms, modifications for travel are pointless. so theres a balance to go for here...

regardless, it does not take huge amounts of cash to get decent results.








so the suck here is after 20 plus years it still ended up like this...



sure its on tons. but its still a work truck first. but its not on 60's simply because of the ttb was some pos that was holding me back....it was because i was wasting the 8.8's too often and arb's are fawking too expensive to be fawking up all the time...

i was actually working on a one ton ttb when i was forced by a work change and the failing detroit economy to relocate, and the 60's were the easy button...


with the half ton trucks its real similar, but 35 inch tires are the limit if you like the skinny pedel.





i hope this is what you were looking for bud.
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I'm not gonna claim mine is in the same realm as 4x4 Junkie or in the same universe as Bobby, but my junk's been wheeled alot, and I did the mods recommended by junkie: Spicer ball joints, timken bearings, wheels without a ton of offset, and 5-760 joints with full circle snap rings. Feed the D35 a V8 since 06, and I've never broke a shaft, hub, or ball joint. Only thing to happen to my front end is I wore out a used lock wrong. (Started slipping) Replaced it with an aussie, and it started to slip in the same way on the first outing. I think the carrier is fucked up. Next up: Supper runner steering, softer rate coils and leafs, and extended arms.
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No. It's expected it should do that with stock tires.
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one way to accomplish the toe and tire wear issues it is 10-20 dollars worth of junkyard shopping for steering parts.
So, what rigs gave up their parts for the steering parts bobby?
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If I remember correctly, he took parts off of a Cherokee?
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Mine works well. Nothing real whizzy ,ARB , Skyjacker arms and my own modded steering.



Mix of EB , chev and F350 TRE's. I have 35x14.5x15 Maddogs and a supercharged SOHC. To date I have broken 1 left side axle and hub. Worn out another set axles,egged out the ears. Blew out a Lockright. We don't have any rock crawling here in Alberta, mud ,sand, hill climbs, mud , muskeg, mud and more mud.

That said, the TTB feels weird off camber, kinda unstable. I have plans for a HP 44 because of that.
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That said, the TTB feels weird off camber, kinda unstable. I have plans for a HP 44 because of that.
Like while turning downward onto a downhill trail? It's probably those stiff lift springs that aren't helping. I haven't really noticed mine being tippier or more teetery than others in the same spot (sometimes it's even less so). I s'pose even still the TTB does have a little different feel to it, maybe I've just gotten used to it.
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TTB definitely has a different feel to it. And with my new longtravel suspension, I've got to almost re-learn how to wheel it (obviously)

I love it though.
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