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Old 03-18-2017, 07:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Halogrinders cheap truck challenge part deux

It's happening again lol

For you youngin's around here- this was my old thread. Quality carnage and nonsense went on in here al'a circa 2005ish.....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ford/...challenge.html

Welp, I aquired a 76 F250 highboy today... and well, things are gonna get stoopider.

Last truck was a 78 f1fitty with coil springs. this truck is leaf spring (obviously) so a little different approach is coming.

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Big meats.
Big power.

Rear dana60 is cool- front dana44 is not gonna be happy w/ me.
Found some 44" boggers
It currently has a running 390 in it- and my 351M turned 409 stroker in the last truck was a torque monster- 350/490 on the dyno before 150 shot of nitrous.
Well, I'm thinking I need it to be cooler. So, was thinking a few routes:
Take 390 and build it to about a 427 or so and keep it N/A
Take 390 and put fuel injection/turbo.
Take out 390- put in 460 and make it about a 5xx and keep it N/A
Take 460 and put fuel injection/turbo
Ditch Ford engine, LS1 and twin turbo
stupidest idea since I own a BMW shop: I've been thinking of a BMW V12 from a mid 90's 7 series.... Get the cams reground, distributors are already on the front so ignition would be easy.... megasquirt fuel injection. twin set of ITB's from an S54 for each bank of 6 cylinders. It'd be stupid, be super cool, but wouldn't make a ton of power plus the fact I'd have to make a bellhousing. I've wanted to make this abomination for a while now....
Currently researching.

Of course, input is always appreciated.
Here comes stupidity all over again
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Theres a good chance that 60 is 16spl. Might want to check. In all honesty if youre going right to 44" boggers id toss it in favor of a 10.25.
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Theres a good chance that 60 is 16spl. Might want to check. In all honesty if youre going right to 44" boggers id toss it in favor of a 10.25.
Yea, was thinking of trying to find just a set of super dooty axles- disc brakes, unit bearings, bigger brakes, more crap available cheaper and much more plentiful. Could sell these axles im sure to the purists or a toyota knurd.
When I do some fluid flushes on the units, ill pull an axle and take a look-see

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390 efi/turbo would cool.
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It's been that long already? Fawk I'm getting old...
That 60 is guaranteed to be a 16 spline unit. I have yet to pull apart a high boy axle that wasn't.

My vote is big inch 460. Big dumb torque down low is where it's at.

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BMW V12 from a mid 90's 7 series....It'd be stupid, be super cool, but wouldn't make a ton of power plus the fact I'd have to make a bellhousing.
So, like an automotive fixie?
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It's been that long already? Fawk I'm getting old... <<< Yea, That

That 60 is guaranteed to be a 16 spline unit. I have yet to pull apart a high boy axle that wasn't.

My vote is big inch 460. Big dumb torque down low is where it's at.

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460 is my vote. It is stupid easy to make power without turbos, but with them, even more ridiculous. Most guys don't bother because you can usually get the needed numbers with cubic inches alone.

If you've gotta brand swap, the BMW V12 is a way cooler idea than any LS ever will be. You have underhood space, you don't have to worry about physical engine size.
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k, so I read the 51 pages on the superduty axles- and the general consensus is to get an 06 and newer set, because of the 35 splines and 1480 joints, yes?
Not looking forward to cutting off all the garbage for leaf springs, but it seems to be the best alternative- short of just finding some 00-04 axles.

Think dually axles with H1 beadlocks would get the tires out of the fenders? Was going to run 38-44" tires.
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You also have the potential to find a factory locker in the rear diff with the later Superduty axles.

Problem with running a dually axle in the rear is the hub sticks out so damn far. You also have that 8x170mm bolt pattern to contend with, so adapter/spacers are going to be needed either way if you wanna run a stock HMWWV wheel.

You're better off getting a set from TWF with the bolt pattern you need.
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gotcha. was thinking of some way to run a cheap double bead lock on big tires, and it not stuff them into the body/frame by using the dually adapters.


so, a SRW would probably be best bet, and just get some wheels.
Man, been out of the game so long, seems like the only big ass tires still come in a 16.5. Would like to get some 17-20" tires to minimize sidewall flex (not for the bling )
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gotcha. was thinking of some way to run a cheap double bead lock on big tires, and it not stuff them into the body/frame by using the dually adapters.


so, a SRW would probably be best bet, and just get some wheels.
Man, been out of the game so long, seems like the only big ass tires still come in a 16.5. Would like to get some 17-20" tires to minimize sidewall flex (not for the bling )
I didn't even think about this earlier, but you may have a brake clearance issue as well. I have no idea on the later model brake caliper sizes but I've seen 99-04 axles with the humvee wheels on them. All the new trucks have big ass wheels for a reason though, so running the larger wheel may be necessity.
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The 05+ axles are plenty wide, 72/70" iirc.
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If you keep the FE, stroke it to 445. A 460 would be cheaper to build, but you gotta swap at least a bell housing if not a trans.
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It's happening again lol

For you youngin's around here- this was my old thread. Quality carnage and nonsense went on in here al'a circa 2005ish.....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ford/...challenge.html

It currently has a running 390 in it-
Hell yeah, that was one of my favorite builds!

I bet that 390 is actually a 360. No way to tell visually and they all magically turn into 390s when the truck is listed for sale.

My vote drop a 460 in it to keep up with the moostangs and then build that V12 Frankenstein on the side. Can the stock BMW trans take power? Its a divorced transfer case since it is a highboy, so you could run any 2wd trans.
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I'm not much of a Ford guy, but i follow the Dent side group on Facespace. They absolutely freak the fuck out if you call them "High boy" .:shrug: I've always heard them called that. But they are also the worst of the drivetrain option i guess. 16 spline rear ,44 up front divorced transfer case etc.
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If you keep the FE, stroke it to 445. A 460 would be cheaper to build, but you gotta swap at least a bell housing if not a trans.
That means I gotta find a 4sitty. I'mma talk to my machinist first- see what he's got floating around.

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Hell yeah, that was one of my favorite builds!

I bet that 390 is actually a 360. No way to tell visually and they all magically turn into 390s when the truck is listed for sale.

My vote drop a 460 in it to keep up with the moostangs and then build that V12 Frankenstein on the side. Can the stock BMW trans take power? Its a divorced transfer case since it is a highboy, so you could run any 2wd trans.
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Yea, who knows. Charging battery up right now and gonna fire it up to see what leaks. AFIK it runs/drives with a big ass coolant leak. Probably water pump :shrugs:

Naw, BMW trans is shit and wouldn't go with that.

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I'm not much of a Ford guy, but i follow the Dent side group on Facespace. They absolutely freak the fuck out if you call them "High boy" .:shrug: I've always heard them called that. But they are also the worst of the drivetrain option i guess. 16 spline rear ,44 up front divorced transfer case etc.

With some superduty axles and some power, it'll be fun regardless. I'll wait to break these first I suppose while I build em.
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In all it's ugliness.

BFGs are a little dry rotted but I bet she's gonna at least drive around. My flat bed specialist is all about it, he wants to sub out off-road recovery to me for him

Besides the typical and a little excessive rust in all the 70's truck places it's pretty damn straight.
Exo cage? I still have 2x8"box steel from the last truck that I was gonna a cut the rockers and bottom of the doors to kill the cancer and make some sliders.
Hmm.
Creative juices flowing on how far this goes.

Then I was like "why not just buy a rolled superdooty at copart and put this body on it?
Then the "if you give a mouse a Cookie" syndrome​ snapped in and I went back to just axles and big tires with huge Engine
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here is a front if youre thinking about swapping in the dooty axles. Local too.

https://houston.craigslist.org/pts/6051615867.html

EDIT: and these, but a little further of a drive. You could stop at the Golden Nugget and do some damage there on your way back.
https://cenla.craigslist.org/pts/6013999195.html
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is it *really* worth getting the coil spring front end and converting to leaf spring, or being able to make life easy(er) with getting a leaf sprung SD axle?

Fawk, why not just convert the bastard to coil spring on the front end if I have the whole cut out
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on the hunt for a 460 block

Need to find some good heads.
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Honestly id just find some leaf spring axles if thats your plan going forward. Much easier IMO. Dont believe the new coil sprung stuff is thaaaat much better.
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on the hunt for a 460 block

Need to find some good heads.
I dunno if you wanna waste the time on a block that's already .040" over, but I have spare one sitting in my garage with the main caps I'd let go for cheap. D1VE. It may have .080" in her or more but you'd need to have it sonic checked to know for sure.

I went with the new AFR heads myself, but there's been some damn good deals on SCJ aluminum out there lately because everyone wants the new stuff. They're tried and true for making power though. I've seen a couple unused sets for around $1400.
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I dunno if you wanna waste the time on a block that's already .040" over, but I have spare one sitting in my garage with the main caps I'd let go for cheap. D1VE. It may have .080" in her or more but you'd need to have it sonic checked to know for sure.

I went with the new AFR heads myself, but there's been some damn good deals on SCJ aluminum out there lately because everyone wants the new stuff. They're tried and true for making power though. I've seen a couple unused sets for around $1400.


It's gonna get bored and stroked.... most stroker kits im seeing is .030 over only. I'll see. looking around for a 543 or something stroker.
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