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Old 10-10-2005, 11:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i have a 78 F250. 2WD. im buildin it up to be pretty serious on the trails, but id still like to be able to drive it on the highway. i was wonderin what yall think i should get in the way of axles. i was thinkin bout just grabbin axles from a 4WD, cuz that seems easier than gettin rockwells or somethin. also, does anyone know if my rear axle is the same as the rear axles off the 4wd's? thanks.
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the tire size will determin what axel u will need if u are gunna run anathin bigger than a 35 or 36 u will want a dana spicer 60 front and a dana 60 or even better a dana70 in the rear ..more than likely u will have a d60 rear now and thats ok but a stock 9 inch halfton rear is stronger but it will work id reccomend a d70 rear and d60 front but ull pay from 800 to 1200 at a junk yard for the d60 front though now if u want a 35 or smaller u can get an 8 lug dana 44 front for a couple hundread but it wont hold up for anathing more than a 36 or so
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Old 10-17-2005, 04:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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does "spicer" mean its a front axle?
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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no, it is a manufacturer name.
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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so could i move my rear dana 60 up to the front?
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not with out some custom work. i dont know the specifics but you would need to weld C's onto your rear to make it work.
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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by c's do you mean mounts for springs?
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also, with dana 60s front and rear and say 38s and a 460 with a c6, what transfer case should i run?
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All right, let's cover a couple things. If you move your rear axle up front you will have to modify brackets and you're going to need to put steering knuckles on it.

For your transfer case you need something heavy duty so I'd go with an NP205. It is cast iron and bolts right up to a c-6. It only has a 1.96:1 gear reduction but later if you get really serious you can add a doubler box.

Oh, and move this to newbie.
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sorry for all the newbie questions, but i got a couple bad ones here:
what does the number designate? (44,60,70)
when you say 9-inch rearend, what does 9 inches correspond to?
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the higher the number pretty much the stronger the axle. d44 is 1/2 and 3/4 ton. dana60 is 1 ton and so is 70 i think. the 9" refers to the diameter of the ring gear in the axle its self
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awesome. thank you.
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Here's the specs on axleshafts (as acurately as I can) from weakest to strongest.

D44 - 1.25" or close to it (less than 1.31") diameter axleshafts
D60 - 1.31" diameter axleshafts (30 spline outers, 35 if you're lucky)
D70 - 1.5" axleshafts (35 spline outers)
14b - 1.5" axleshafts

For the front you want a Dana 60 because of the wide locker and gear selection and of course... strength.

Rear you want to go large because its your main drive wheels, the 10.5" ring gear on the 14bb and 1.5" axleshafts are as beefy as they come. Not to mention you can pick one up for under $200 easy.
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thanks buster. youre a huge help.
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HD-44 and you should have a D-60 rear
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The junkyard closes to me has a Sterling FF that they want 500 freakin dollars from. Insane!

You really have to know what you want to do before doing this. How big are you going to go. If you see this being a cut up trail-only rig later, do it once and do it right by using a D60 from the start. If this is a DD or almost DD and you don't see yourself going more then 35-36" on the tires, then you can use a D44 front to save money, and as long as you don't go stupid with the skinny pedal you will be fine. That's the thing. You can break anything if you pound it enough.

Fordtrucks, how can a 9" be stronger then a D60 in stock form? If his D60 were Semi-float it'd be close, but the D60 would still have the strength advantages. Extra pinion bearing....or larger shafts and ring gear. D60 SF vs 9" SF is close, but D60 FF there really isn't much comparison.
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The junkyard closes to me has a Sterling FF that they want 500 freakin dollars from. Insane!

You really have to know what you want to do before doing this. How big are you going to go. If you see this being a cut up trail-only rig later, do it once and do it right by using a D60 from the start. If this is a DD or almost DD and you don't see yourself going more then 35-36" on the tires, then you can use a D44 front to save money, and as long as you don't go stupid with the skinny pedal you will be fine. That's the thing. You can break anything if you pound it enough.

I got my 96 10.25 FF for $160, $40 to ship
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Yeah, they're just proud of their sh1t. I've considered goin in with 200 dollars and seeing if cash will let me back my truck up and take it home with me. I don't like Sterlings though....
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i have a 78 F250. 2WD. im buildin it up to be pretty serious on the trails, but id still like to be able to drive it on the highway. i was wonderin what yall think i should get in the way of axles. i was thinkin bout just grabbin axles from a 4WD, cuz that seems easier than gettin rockwells or somethin. also, does anyone know if my rear axle is the same as the rear axles off the 4wd's? thanks.
Now I don't know you, but just going by the questions you are asking I think you should sell the 2wd and buy a stock 4x4. Then study up on 4x4 tech and modify it over time as you learn more about trucks. Start with adding a lift, gears and lockers. Then a set of tires. Then a big block to move the bigger tires. Then bigger axles to handle the tires and big block, etc...
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Now I don't know you, but just going by the questions you are asking I think you should sell the 2wd and buy a stock 4x4. Then study up on 4x4 tech and modify it over time as you learn more about trucks. Start with adding a lift, gears and lockers. Then a set of tires. Then a big block to move the bigger tires. Then bigger axles to handle the tires and big block, etc...
I second that.
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