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Old 11-23-2005, 05:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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D44 vs. D60

I have a 84 Ranger with 35s lockers and 5.13s. I upgraded to a D35 and I keep breaking axles.

I am tring to be continence of weight and ground clearance (I am only running 35's). What does everyone think about the D44 with cromo shafts vs a D60 that will be stronger but be much heavier and much less ground clearance?
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You upgraded to a D35??
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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From the Dana 28 that was in his truck. That is a vaste improvment in strength and a direct bolt in.
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Old 11-23-2005, 06:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It is strange to think of a D35 as an upgrade, that said I believe dana 44's with cromies would be perfect for this application, still light, great clearance, and for the price of one front d60 you can give your d44 crommies, and lockers, and for a few coins more you can get some flattie knuckles and hi steer. unless your running a bigblock you dont need d60's.
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It is strange to think of a D35 as an upgrade, that said I believe dana 44's with cromies would be perfect for this application, still light, great clearance, and for the price of one front d60 you can give your d44 crommies, and lockers, and for a few coins more you can get some flattie knuckles and hi steer. unless your running a bigblock you dont need d60's.
that is kinda what I was thinking. I am only running a stock 2.8 and breaking the D35. I don't expect to ever run a big block, at the most a stock 302 or maybe a chevy 4.3. You dont need 500hp for rock crawling.

What is a good price for a D44?

I found one out of a 77 bronco for $350 hub to hub, but everyone says that is a bit high.
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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that is a bit high...i paid $200 for mine (wagoneer axle). It also depends on location. That might be the going rate where you are...
Yeah, the d44 will be fine.
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I have kinda the same deal as you do going on. I bought a 76 ford f150 with a strong 390 np435/205/44 and a 9 inch. Completely rebuilt the front axle new bearings, joints, rotors, hubs, bushings, everything on the front end basically. I have a locker kicking around for the front and got a spool for the 9". I have new shocks on the front a 4" coils. $1500 is what I'm into mine now, that includes cost of vehicle.
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It is strange to think of a D35 as an upgrade, that said I believe dana 44's with cromies would be perfect for this application, still light, great clearance, and for the price of one front d60 you can give your d44 crommies, and lockers, and for a few coins more you can get some flattie knuckles and hi steer. unless your running a bigblock you dont need d60's.

For a $100 bucks I can get a D44 with crommies?!?

Yea - I'm being a smart ass, I only paid $100 for my kingpin HP D60

I don't think it's the size of your engine that determens the size of the axle you use. I think it's more the type of wheelin you do (how you drive it...) and the tire size, locker setup, and weight of your rig all come into play.

I've seen guys with inline six's break D60's...
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Should be fine, but will you want bigger tires in the future?
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that is kinda what I was thinking. I am only running a stock 2.8 and breaking the D35. I don't expect to ever run a big block, at the most a stock 302 or maybe a chevy 4.3. You dont need 500hp for rock crawling.

What is a good price for a D44?

I found one out of a 77 bronco for $350 hub to hub, but everyone says that is a bit high.
$350 for an EB dana 44 is actually a good price, and since its from a 77 it will have disk brakes. Theres Bronco guys that would pay $500 for that axle.
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i currently have the 44 infront of my 78 f150 with welded gears on 35's and i have yet to break anything other then one outer ear and that was due toi a u-joint failure. ive even done 4x4 burnouts (in the gravel) and have yet to see anything break.
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dana 44

i have a dana 44 and 9 inch from an early bronco with 5.13 gears, locker in the rear and i think its a spool up front, Warn hubs, duff's axle trusses, and it has big u-joint front axles that i am selling for $600. Let me know if your interested. I am located in Knoxville, TN. My email is bryan@broncodriver.com.
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sure....do the 44, then you can learn that you shoulda done the 60 in the first place
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sure....do the 44, then you can learn that you shoulda done the 60 in the first place
Bingo. How many people say "35's are all I want to run" and the next month when their buddy gets 38's they decide they need 39's.

And as to that I find it funny that people assume the front D35 in the truck is the same as the heep 35 Sure, it's not a 60, but it's a hell of alot better than a jeep 35.
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I agree that the type of wheeling, tire size, and rig wieght is critical in which axle you choose for your rig, but so too is the engine...cause it effects all of the above mentioned things..torque on drivetrain is only part of the issue, a bigger issue is the additional wieght of the engine..(wieght kills).

If he doesnt go larger than 35's he will be fine, and $100 front 60's are almost impossible to find, you were lucky if it was the front, and if you find anymore buy them up and Ill split the profits with you.

I agree with the tire size-up issue though, I started with 31's then 33's then 35's now 38.5's
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yeah i started ouyt on 31's then got 35's now im jumping right to 44's on my stock dana 44 till i snap it, then a 60 swap is coming, no matter what youll always want bigger tires just to say you have them, but for me im getting them as cheap as a set of 35" bogers so im just getting em for the snow this year, whitch we just got tonight and my bald tires didnt like it, lol
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sure....do the 44, then you can learn that you shoulda done the 60 in the first place

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just about anything is an upgrade over a dana 28.
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$350 for an EB dana 44 is actually a good price, and since its from a 77 it will have disk brakes. Theres Bronco guys that would pay $500 for that axle.
I'd have to second that. You will want to stick to a EB axle for a more stock width unless you plan on changing the rear out for a full width also.
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Where at in Ga are you?

I'm in powder springs and got a waggy d44 complete for 120$ at the local JY.
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I'm in columbus (west/central GA).

I want to run a high pinion axle, is there an EB year that would be the right width with high pinion? What is involved in shortening a full size D44?

I was considering full size axles, but I would lose a lot of the 'little truck' functionality.
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All EB's were standard pinion 44's. You will have to step up to a full size to find a HP.
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Full width hp44 with cast radius arm mounts here was 125$. Friend who got that hp44 also got a ditch-witch d60 rear for 100$. The ditch-witch isn't that wide.

Just run full width, and get some wheels with, say 4" BS to bring your trackwidth back down closer to your current trackwidth.
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I run full width axles on my explorer and its great. They only stick out about an extra 4 inches on each side.

I have a dana 44 up front, and a 9 inch in the rear. If you go with a dana 44 you'll definitely need to upgrade the axles. I run 36x12.50 super swampers and I have stock axles which break (atleast one does) every 3 to 4 trips. Luckily 4 wheel parts gave me the opportunity to purchase lifetime warranties on them, I just send them back every so often for a new one.

Keep in mind if you try to find a 9 inch be sure it is 31 spline with the larger carrier bearings. The one I took out of a 1979 f-150 had 31 spline axles but small carrier bearings. I blew it up on my last trip, basically the side carrier bearings blew up, the ring gear teeth ripped off and the bearing caps exploded into a gazillion pieces. (it lasted a year note I run a full spool as my locker). I just purchased and installed a Currie Nodular housing this time, hopefully it holds up better.

So far I have not had to replace the 9 inch axles and they are still stock...
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