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Old 03-26-2007, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dana 44 use a Crush Sleeve?

Does a '78 Bronco Dana 44 use a crush sleeve? If not, I'm OK. If yes, then I'm in trouble. I would think it does but I can't find it. I pulled the pinion out a few weeks ago and am real good about keeping all my parts together, but I can't find a crush sleeve to go with it.

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Old 03-26-2007, 04:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Look at your shim stacks, you'll figure it out.
NO, most Dana Axles use shims to set pinion bearing preload

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Old 03-26-2007, 06:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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NO, shims determine bearing preload.
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Old 03-26-2007, 08:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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ahhh, since there are no shims on the pinion gear behind the bearing, only the oil slinger, there is no crush sleeve. Right?

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Why did you remove the pinion? Do you have an in/lb torque wrench to measure the pinion bearing preload when you reassemble it?
Dial indicator to measure backlash?
If you kept track of your shims and put everything back where it came from, you should be able to get it back together with in spec with out too much trouble.

To further complicate things, if you are swapping gears, you may need to adjust pinion depth with a shim (in addition to the oil slinger). I suggest you do some more reading before you tear into that diff much further.

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Why did you remove the pinion? Do you have an in/lb torque wrench to measure the pinion bearing preload when you reassemble it?
Dial indicator to measure backlash?
If you kept track of your shims and put everything back where it came from, you should be able to get it back together with in spec with out too much trouble.

To further complicate things, if you are swapping gears, you may need to adjust pinion depth with a shim (in addition to the oil slinger). I suggest you do some more reading before you tear into that diff much further.

May I suggest some light reading from Billavista? http://www.pirate4x4.com/articles/te...sta/Gear_Setup
Thanks for the lesson but I don't need it. I've been setting up gears for over 10 years. I am only trying to figure out if I've lost the crush sleeve or not. Stay focused. If you don't know the answer, don't reply and don't derail my posting.

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Old 03-27-2007, 08:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the lesson but I don't need it. I've been setting up gears for over 10 years. I am only trying to figure out if I've lost the crush sleeve or not. Stay focused. If you don't know the answer, don't reply and don't derail my posting.
Did you setup one set of gears 10 years ago? or have been doing them (a few a month) for 10 years.
For someone who has been setting up gears that long, I would of hoped when you installed your preload shims on the pinon, you owuld of thought "Hey this axle can't run preload shims, and a crushsleve"

I've never seen a Ford front 44 use a crush sleve.
I have seen Ford D44 rears with one, and jeep D44's.
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Did you setup one set of gears 10 years ago? or have been doing them (a few a month) for 10 years.
For someone who has been setting up gears that long, I would of hoped when you installed your preload shims on the pinon, you owuld of thought "Hey this axle can't run preload shims, and a crushsleve"

I've never seen a Ford front 44 use a crush sleve.
I have seen Ford D44 rears with one, and jeep D44's.
??? What are you guys 10 years old?

FYI junior, Ford and GM use preload shims AND crush sleeves in the rearends so keep your wisdom to yourself. You've blown my cover genius. This is the first Dana 44 front axle I've worked on. Congratuations, you've knocked me off my throne. Anyway, I've figured it out. The pinion can't use a crush sleeve because there is no shoulder on the gear for it. Now I know that I didn't misplace it. I appreciate all complicated asinine help for such a simple question. I'll remember this the next time I have a question. You're a benefit to the internet.
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??? What are you guys 10 years old?

FYI junior, Ford and GM use preload shims AND crush sleeves in the rearends so keep your wisdom to yourself. You've blown my cover genius. This is the first Dana 44 front axle I've worked on. Congratuations, you've knocked me off my throne. Anyway, I've figured it out. The pinion can't use a crush sleeve because there is no shoulder on the gear for it. Now I know that I didn't misplace it. I appreciate all complicated asinine help for such a simple question. I'll remember this the next time I have a question. You're a benefit to the internet.
I also figured it out for myself as well, when I did one of these axles. I took it apart and there was no crush sleeve. I says to myself and I quote " self this axle has no crush sleeve." End quote.
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??? What are you guys 10 years old?

FYI junior, Ford and GM use preload shims AND crush sleeves in the rearends so keep your wisdom to yourself. You've blown my cover genius. This is the first Dana 44 front axle I've worked on. Congratuations, you've knocked me off my throne. Anyway, I've figured it out. The pinion can't use a crush sleeve because there is no shoulder on the gear for it. Now I know that I didn't misplace it. I appreciate all complicated asinine help for such a simple question. I'll remember this the next time I have a question. You're a benefit to the internet.

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Thanks for the lesson but I don't need it. I've been setting up gears for over 10 years. I am only trying to figure out if I've lost the crush sleeve or not. Stay focused. If you don't know the answer, don't reply and don't derail my posting.
Apparently, you do or you would not have asked if the D44 used a crush sleeve, nor did you explain why you had removed the pinion, what your plans were, or what your level of tools and experience. From your huge amount of input I could only assume you were a FUCKIN DIPSHIT NEWB...have a nice day
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