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Old 04-26-2007, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3:1 gears for a Ford 205

Low Max doesn't offer 3:1 gearing for the Ford NP205. From what I understand, no one offers them for the driver drop NP205. Anyone on here have a Ford 205 with 3:1 gears? Or know of where to get some?
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Low Max doesn't offer 3:1 gearing for the Ford NP205. From what I understand, no one offers them for the driver drop NP205. Anyone on here have a Ford 205 with 3:1 gears? Or know of where to get some?
You could use a Ford Borg Warner 1345, it has 2.71:1. Not as strong but there are tons of them in the yards. The one I have in my Jeep came out of F250 with a 460.


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Old 04-26-2007, 02:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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a quick survey from all the 3:1 205 gear vendors came up empty handed
they will not fit in the stock case
doubler or pester lomax to cast a ford case
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Old 04-26-2007, 02:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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A doubler gives you 4 to 1 and with the trails around here that can be too low. A 3 to 1 would be perfect.
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Old 04-26-2007, 02:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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run the trans in a higher gear
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Old 04-26-2007, 02:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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will a 1354 bolt up to the trans of a 205 like a t18
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will a 1354 bolt up to the trans of a 205 like a t18
Yep. You might have to modify your driveshafts, though.

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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so where can i get a 1354, what trucks
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Low Max doesn't offer 3:1 gearing for the Ford NP205. From what I understand, no one offers them for the driver drop NP205. Anyone on here have a Ford 205 with 3:1 gears? Or know of where to get some?
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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you want a bw 1345 or 1356 (not 1354) the 1354 and the 1350 are ranger stuff.
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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alright so what year truck should i look for to get the t-case since I'll most likely hit the yard this weekend
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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80's and 90's should all have mag. chain drive bw case's i dont know off the top of my head what year they switched from 1345 to 1356. i cant say if one is stronger than the other. try to get one out of a bronco with a fixed yoke, but check the trucks to because i have heard of them having them to, but i have never seen one.
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Old 04-26-2007, 07:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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My 1345 came out of an 1984 F250 4x4, 460/c6/BW1345. There is a tag on the back of the case that will show the number. If you want I have Ford NP208 that has similiar gearing and fixed yokes. I am in the Reno area and price would be a case of Olympia beer!
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Old 04-26-2007, 07:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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my 88 f150 had a 1345. only cause the 1256 broke and i got a 1345 and driveshaft fr cheap. I am sure it came out of a longbed f150 originally cause the driveshaft fit.
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you could build a 203 205 doubler and get 3:1s for the 203, then youd have 2:1 3:1 and 6:1
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yeah the only problem is the 1300 BWs are all chain drive... mines a 1356 and its worn to f***. only had one problem since the day i got it. other than a lil noise the BWs work.
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:52 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Eat linen, drink ink, shit cash, and get a Atlas II, Doubler, Klune V or Black Box!
You're missing the point that I didn't explain. So to entertain you, I guess I should explain. I'm looking to buy a doubler settup that can give me 1,2,3, & 6:1 gearing options from the t-cases. Klune only makes a 2.7 or a 4 and they're about 3 times as expensive as the highest $$ of either a 203 or 205. The NWF box is only 2.7 and is also $$ compared to a 203 or 205. Long story short, I need 3:1 gears in either a 203 or a 205, so I'm trying to figure out who makes them or what works for either.

I'm not getting any more aluminum cases or chain drives. Been there, done that...I need the beef.

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you could build a 203 205 doubler and get 3:1s for the 203, then youd have 2:1 3:1 and 6:1
Actually, that's what I'm trying to do. 3:1 in either the 203 or 205 for a doubler combo. So far, one guy thinks maybe the 205 gears are interchangable, but I don't know about that, and one guy says 3:1 gears for a 203 can be found at Sumner Machine Co in Gallatin, TN. Needless to say, I need a lot more information on 3:1's for a 203 or a Ford 205. That's where you guys come in.
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:54 PM   #18 (permalink)
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pretty sure it was answered in full
no such thing as 3:1 for a ford 205
good luck on getting some for a 203
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pretty sure it was answered in full
no such thing as 3:1 for a ford 205
good luck on getting some for a 203
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I already said no one makes a 3:1 kit for a Ford, I'm asking if the gears alone are interchangable. Edit: Now I understand your post. They won't fit in the stock box. Thanks.

I've never heard of 3:1 gears for a 203 either, so I'm trying to get more info if there is such a thing.

The black box would marginally be close to the same gearing and work, but it's $1600 by itself compared to ~ $1k for piecing together a 3:1 205.

If I have no luck here, I'll just pony up and get the 3 speed Stak box and bolt it up. I'm only considering the 203/205 because there's one for sale for cheap close to me.
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I've had good luck with my 1356/205 doubler. gives me the option of 2;1, 2.69:1, or 5.4: 1
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The 3 to 1 gears for my 203 were done by wagoner machine. It is a $1000 dollar mod and they cut a portion of the bottom of the 203 out to make the new gear fit. Wagoner machine may now be called Sumner machine but I am not sure of that.
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The 3 to 1 gears for my 203 were done by wagoner machine. It is a $1000 dollar mod and they cut a portion of the bottom of the 203 out to make the new gear fit. Wagoner machine may now be called Sumner machine but I am not sure of that.
I don't think they make this any more, which was what mj was alluding to.
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I've had good luck with my 1356/205 doubler. gives me the option of 2;1, 2.69:1, or 5.4: 1
Is there a link to your build?
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I think John still does the 3:1 203s

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I know you stated you dont want the aluminum/chain drive case option, but if you are basing that decision on the weakness of the 208, you might reconsider. I was breaking 208's pretty regularly in my mud racing buggy untill I switched to the BW1345- wider chain, stronger case and lower low range (208-2.61 vs 1345-2.74) To my knowledge, the BW1356 is also a stronger case than the 208 but seems to have a reputation for loosing the oil pump, and if not caught quickly enough, well, you know. I have also been using a 1345 in my trail rig for over a year now with no issues- broken a rear 70 shaft, bent my front and rear suspension "links" and even torqued/bounced/ broke my front suspension completely off last weekend and the t-case is still holding up it's share.
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