Can you retube a super duty 60 and put kingpin knuckles on it?

[DMG]

Anybody know?

[dblue351]

Yes

[DMG]

Originally Posted by dblue351

Yes

Any more info?

[HardcorewannabeXJ]

Originally Posted by DMG

Any more info?

Retube if necessary.

Cut knuckles, buy and weld on new Kingpin Inner C's Found HERE: http://www.dedenbear.com/TXToffroad.htm#innerC

Buy new Ferd Heavy Duty Kingpin Knuckles HERE: http://www.dedenbear.com/TXToffroad.htm

Buy Brakes, shafts, Enjoy.

[JGVABronco78]

Why would you want to spend all that time and effort making something that has already been made? What is it on the Super-duty axle you want to keep that's not on a 86 to 91 k/p? I believe you would spend at least half if not all of the cost of a used axle on machining and fabrication.

[dblue351]

Looks like everyone got it covered.

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

Why would you want to spend all that time and effort making something that has already been made? What is it on the Super-duty axle you want to keep that's not on a 86 to 91 k/p? I believe you would spend at least half if not all of the cost of a used axle on machining and fabrication.

I got the axle cheap and think I know where there it a kingpin 60 with a broken housing/long tube for cheap. also, the sd center is supposed to be one of the better ones. Even if I bought a complete kingpin 60 I would have to change out a bunch of shit.

I would rather make stuff than buy it too.

[JGVABronco78]

I figured it was the swapping over stuff that was probably it, and a free axle makes it tempting, but I'm not sure if you know what you are getting into gouging out the welds, preesing out the tubes, cutting apart the donor, machining to clean up/weld-prep the knuckles, maybe machining the tubes for fitment in the knuckles, and then all the issues with which brakes, brackets and steering to run, not to mention attaching all the right suspension fixtures back on the tubes. Plus, you have to do all that anyway if you retube it. The only issue is the donor isn't worthy of install, so you are looking at getting a better k/p axle to start with.

I don't know the answer, but the question I would have is wouldn't it be simpler to get a used k/p axle and modify it to work with the SD, or live with what the SD axle already has to offer. It is still very respectable in spite of the b/joint knuckles, and it would be a pain to retrofit the right brakes on their for you.

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

I figured it was the swapping over stuff that was probably it, and a free axle makes it tempting, but I'm not sure if you know what you are getting into gouging out the welds, preesing out the tubes, cutting apart the donor, machining to clean up/weld-prep the knuckles, maybe machining the tubes for fitment in the knuckles, and then all the issues with which brakes, brackets and steering to run, not to mention attaching all the right suspension fixtures back on the tubes. Plus, you have to do all that anyway if you retube it. The only issue is the donor isn't worthy of install, so you are looking at getting a better k/p axle to start with.

I don't know the answer, but the question I would have is wouldn't it be simpler to get a used k/p axle and modify it to work with the SD, or live with what the SD axle already has to offer. It is still very respectable in spite of the b/joint knuckles, and it would be a pain to retrofit the right brakes on their for you.

I realize it will be a project but I can keep wheeling it with the 44 while I build. We have a big plasma cutter, welder, are building a press, etc so I think we can do it. You seem to know about 60s so can you tell me, will older balljoint knuckles go onto super duty 'C's?

[JGVABronco78]

Originally Posted by DMG

I realize it will be a project but I can keep wheeling it with the 44 while I build. We have a big plasma cutter, welder, are building a press, etc so I think we can do it. You seem to know about 60s so can you tell me, will older balljoint knuckles go onto super duty 'C's?

As far as the knuckles going on the "C"s, you'll know before me. Why would you want to do that? I thought you wanted kingpins, and there I see you having trouble keeping the ABS parts I'm assuming you have. I have no experience in any newer axle or suspension system; I just do 70's stuff, and what I've seen or read and been convinced of.

Gouging out the welds out of the pumpkin and getting a clean parting line to avoid gouging the pumpkin inner tube surface before pressing the tubes out will be one difficulty. Jigging it not to stretch or squash the pumpkin while pressing will be another issue. Since it sounds like you have some shop experience, I would recommend freezing the new tubes in dry ice prior to pressing back in to ease the .004" interference they have. You'll need to calculate and be exact on your pinion angle and caster before you weld the tube for good. You could probably test fit it just pressed in, but I don't think you would want to rotate it with that big of interference. Go ahead and compensate for lift and what not while you are putting it together.

Are you sure it wouldn't be easier to swing the whole axle in a lathe and machine off the old "C"s till they part, and then just prep and weld on the k/p knuckles back on? This is after you have figured out the brake line-up you plan to use of course.

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

As far as the knuckles going on the "C"s, you'll know before me. Why would you want to do that? I thought you wanted kingpins, and there I see you having trouble keeping the ABS parts I'm assuming you have. I have no experience in any newer axle or suspension system; I just do 70's stuff, and what I've seen or read and been convinced of.

Gouging out the welds out of the pumpkin and getting a clean parting line to avoid gouging the pumpkin inner tube surface before pressing the tubes out will be one difficulty. Jigging it not to stretch or squash the pumpkin while pressing will be another issue. Since it sounds like you have some shop experience, I would recommend freezing the new tubes in dry ice prior to pressing back in to ease the .004" interference they have. You'll need to calculate and be exact on your pinion angle and caster before you weld the tube for good. You could probably test fit it just pressed in, but I don't think you would want to rotate it with that big of interference. Go ahead and compensate for lift and what not while you are putting it together.

Are you sure it wouldn't be easier to swing the whole axle in a lathe and machine off the old "C"s till they part, and then just prep and weld on the k/p knuckles back on? This is after you have figured out the brake line-up you plan to use of course.

It is going on a trail-only CJ with a 14 bolt in the back so I am not worried about abs. I have seen ball joint 60s take serious abuse and hold up. I consider them to be only slightly inferior to kingpins. So I am curious if the ball joint knuckles fit the SD axle for different build options.

One of the reasons to retube is to increase the length of the short-side tube. Currently only 2 inches of it is exposed so I would have to outboard the springs if I want to run it as is.

[f250rollinon37s]

Superduty dana 60s have 3.5" axle tubes - early 60 have 3.125" - so the knuckles have to be bored to match - or get a set of the above mentioned and get the 3.5 version

[ramsey]

is it the coil or leaf sprung version?

[DMG]

Originally Posted by ramsey

is it the coil or leaf sprung version?

Leaf

[JGVABronco78]

Am I a retard, or is this the first time you mentioned it was going in a trail only CJ. The Ford forum is for people who own FORDS. The Jeep forum is for people who need to cut up Fords to make a worthy rig. I thought you were wanting to beef up your 250.

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

Am I a retard, or is this the first time you mentioned it was going in a trail only CJ. The Ford forum is for people who own FORDS. The Jeep forum is for people who need to cut up Fords to make a worthy rig. I thought you were wanting to beef up your 250.

I thought the Ford forum would have the best tech for my Ford axle.

[wyldstallyn73]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

The Ford forum is for people who own FORDS. The Jeep forum is for people who need to cut up Fords to make a worthy rig.

Troof!!!


Pardon my ignorance, but how do I make this my sig line????

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

Am I a retard, or is this the first time you mentioned it was going in a trail only CJ. The Ford forum is for people who own FORDS. The Jeep forum is for people who need to cut up Fords to make a worthy rig. I thought you were wanting to beef up your 250.

Sorry to interrupt your chest-beating and shock chroming.

[BLK Scout 800]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

The Jeep forum is for people who need to cut up Fords to make a worthy rig.

[brewchief]

Originally Posted by DMG

You seem to know about 60s so can you tell me, will older balljoint knuckles go onto super duty 'C's?

There was a thread about this not long ago, I think that there is a way to do this, I think it was in a thread dealing with unit bearings?

Brewchief

[JGVABronco78]

Originally Posted by DMG

Sorry to interrupt your chest-beating and shock chroming.

You missed the point. You are the third guy this week that has a Jeep and naturally wants to put Ford equipment in it, but neglected to tell anybody till 10 posts down. If you would state that in the original post, we could get straight to the point.

Putting Ford stuff in Fords to make them better Fords is quite a bit easier than fitting them in something else, but you tend to think along different lines being familiar with the changes through the years and what is a fair trade-off for the time or money you are going to spend. Its quite a different thing to put one in another brand that we may not be as familiar with.

You may have indeed came to the right place for info, and then again maybe not. Jeep people(no offense) have much more experience cutting up Ford parts(and GM and Chrysler) and making them work than we do.

I don't think I was beating my chest, funny you should think that when you are the one that's out of place. Ford people I've been involved with are very friendly and helpful people for the most part, and while you could expect a little pride to show when your stuff is very arguably the best, and one could get offended if they let themself watching others tear up our classics for parts to go bash on rocks just to have a hope of survival, they generally don't and just ignore it. If you pay for it, its yours; do what you want with it, but ask yourself, how would you feel if some kid came along and tore up your Jeep just so he could have a killer go-kart?

I know. That's a low blow, but I didn't want people to take this too seriously. If you want to spend $3000 turning your $2000 axle into a $1500 axle, we'll help you all we can and enjoy every minute of it. Seriously, no offfense intended.

[DMG]

Originally Posted by JGVABronco78

You missed the point. You are the third guy this week that has a Jeep and naturally wants to put Ford equipment in it, but neglected to tell anybody till 10 posts down. If you would state that in the original post, we could get straight to the point.

Putting Ford stuff in Fords to make them better Fords is quite a bit easier than fitting them in something else, but you tend to think along different lines being familiar with the changes through the years and what is a fair trade-off for the time or money you are going to spend. Its quite a different thing to put one in another brand that we may not be as familiar with.

You may have indeed came to the right place for info, and then again maybe not. Jeep people(no offense) have much more experience cutting up Ford parts(and GM and Chrysler) and making them work than we do.

I don't think I was beating my chest, funny you should think that when you are the one that's out of place. Ford people I've been involved with are very friendly and helpful people for the most part, and while you could expect a little pride to show when your stuff is very arguably the best, and one could get offended if they let themself watching others tear up our classics for parts to go bash on rocks just to have a hope of survival, they generally don't and just ignore it. If you pay for it, its yours; do what you want with it, but ask yourself, how would you feel if some kid came along and tore up your Jeep just so he could have a killer go-kart?

I know. That's a low blow, but I didn't want people to take this too seriously. If you want to spend $3000 turning your $2000 axle into a $1500 axle, we'll help you all we can and enjoy every minute of it. Seriously, no offfense intended.

No offense taken, I am glad for the help. I assumed that answers to my question did not require any backstory since it was parts related. Basically, I am trying to rebuild a Jeep that was wheeled hard and rolled over backwards on a climb. It has a LP 44 in the front that breaks shafts, I have a 2004 HP60 off a burned truck that I gave $300 for. It has the right gears
(4.10s) and I would like to use it.

It also has a Ford NP435/205 so you can expect a thread about clocking it if I don't find what I need searching.