Question: 39,5 TSL....do I need a special steering setup?

[PatoV6]

Hi guys,
I´m looking for 39,5 x 15 TSL....do I need a special steering setup? Do you think the stock setup is capable to move those shoes? Or do I need to modify something? maybe replace the stock pump for an AGR...o something similar?

Thanks in advance,

Pato

*97 Ranger, D44 FW/GM14

[dahoyle]

Why don't you give that a little bit more thought, and get back to us.

[PatoV6]

Originally Posted by dahoyle

Why don't you give that a little bit more thought, and get back to us.

Ok.

[93chico4by]

well, if it is any consolation, the ranger steering gear is that same as the ones used in 1/2-1 ton trucks of similar years. If it is up to the task of a truck that big, i would say you should be OK on the street with it, safety wise. But offroad i think you are probably going to have a bitch of a time steering depending on the locker situation and wheel offset.

[dahoyle]

Originally Posted by 93chico4by

well, if it is any consolation, the ranger steering gear is that same as the ones used in 1/2-1 ton trucks of similar years. If it is up to the task of a truck that big, i would say you should be OK on the street with it, safety wise. But offroad i think you are probably going to have a bitch of a time steering depending on the locker situation and wheel offset.

Yep, and I bet those massive axles, tie rod ends, and the whole damn thing is up to the task.

[Proeliator]

Oh, fuck YEA man, glad you asked!!! You've GOT to go full hydro to run those massive meats, several vendors on here sell kits. Good luck

[PatoV6]

Originally Posted by Proeliator

Oh, fuck YEA man, glad you asked!!! You've GOT to go full hydro to run those massive meats, several vendors on here sell kits. Good luck

Cool! I will look for them. Thanks!

[94stepsideford]

Originally Posted by Proeliator

Oh, fuck YEA man, glad you asked!!! You've GOT to go full hydro to run those massive meats, several vendors on here sell kits. Good luck

WERD

[87 pathy]

Originally Posted by PatoV6

Cool! I will look for them. Thanks!

so, your gonna run 39.5's on a D44. good luck with that

[PatoV6]

Originally Posted by 87 pathy

so, your gonna run 39.5's on a D44. good luck with that

With CrMo axles, and super Yukon u-joints....do you think is still too much for the D44? Or better I stay with my 36" Iroks...

[Offrhoder4x4]

chromo and ctms weren't enough for me to survive with a 44. I spent more time saving money and replacing parts than wheeling.

60 and hydro is the way to go with 39.5s. The best you can go with the 44 and stock stuff is a modded saginaw pump out of an old t-bird, and you will still be lacing seriously with it locked.

[Offrhoder4x4]

BTW, even for hydro, I recommend a modded saginaw pump. Here's the PN: Napa # NSP206244

[BroncBoy86]

I disagree. I have a full width 44 and Ive been running 38 inch TSLs for two years now. I have chromos stock u joints and all 31 spline shafts. I have detroit up front and 4.88 gears.
I ran it in a 87 f150 with a stock 302 and now its in my early bronco and its got a pumped 302 with efi. still now problems. and I am actively trying to break stuff so I will have a reason to upgrade. Ive even done four wheel drive burnouts on the pavement for 10 mins and havent broken anything. but thats just my opinion.

[mondtster]

Originally Posted by BroncBoy86

I disagree. I have a full width 44 and Ive been running 38 inch TSLs for two years now. I have chromos stock u joints and all 31 spline shafts. I have detroit up front and 4.88 gears.

My buddy has had similar success running 39.5s on a D44 in his chevy. He's been running them for 7 years with minimal breakage (2 outers and 1 inner) but he's not running stock shafts either. It's all about driving style, the skill of the driver, and the weight of the rig helps too.

To the question about steering, I would run full hydro or at least hydraulic assist if you expect to be able to turn the wheels off road. A stock system will be a compromise but it can kind of work.

[87 pathy]

2.5 years wheeling this rig in its current condition..
Tires are 36 x 12.5 TSL's.. Rig puts out about 140HP.
2 short side shafts
2 u-joints
1 Yukon shaft
1 Superjoint (damaged by broken shaft)
1 detroit locker. (taken out by the broken alloy)

make your own decisions.. if i can't make this hold up in a nissan V6 with 345k miles on it.. what makes you think it will hold up to a V8 and 40" tires?

OH, and each time it broke, i wasn't on it hard.. when the alloy broke, taking out my detroit.. i was like WTF?.. what, why.. i wasn't on it at ALL.

[87 pathy]

Originally Posted by BroncBoy86

I disagree. I have a full width 44 and Ive been running 38 inch TSLs for two years now. I have chromos stock u joints and all 31 spline shafts. I have detroit up front and 4.88 gears.
I ran it in a 87 f150 with a stock 302 and now its in my early bronco and its got a pumped 302 with efi. still now problems. and I am actively trying to break stuff so I will have a reason to upgrade. Ive even done four wheel drive burnouts on the pavement for 10 mins and havent broken anything. but thats just my opinion.

holly crap.. i gotta get me some 31 spline D44 shafts.. or get rid of my lockers.

[dahoyle]

Originally Posted by BroncBoy86

Ive even done four wheel drive burnouts on the pavement for 10 mins and havent broken anything. but thats just my opinion.

Gonna just have to call bullshit on that. You honestly expect anyone to believe that you had all four wheels spinning on pavement for 10 minutes. I guess it's possible in low range, if you tied your ass end to a tree or something, but without doing that, you ain't going to get me to believe you got them to do more than chirp.

But as you said,That's just my opinion.

[wilber]

i would definatly upgrade the pump, thats the problem on the fords. And its all in what and how you wheel, to what setup will work for you. I have floged on my 44 with 35s and nothing has broken, but I have seen them spit out brand new balljoints before.

[94stepsideford]

Originally Posted by dahoyle

Gonna just have to call bullshit on that. You honestly expect anyone to believe that you had all four wheels spinning on pavement for 10 minutes. I guess it's possible in low range, if you tied your ass end to a tree or something, but without doing that, you ain't going to get me to believe you got them to do more than chirp.

But as you said,That's just my opinion.

With a 302 Yeah..you'll shit regular too if ya eat right.

[mondtster]

Originally Posted by 87 pathy

OH, and each time it broke, i wasn't on it hard.. when the alloy broke, taking out my detroit.. i was like WTF?.. what, why.. i wasn't on it at ALL.

Just because you weren't on it when it broke doesn't mean that you weren't hard on it before it broke. It could have been hanging in there by a thread.

The shafts that my buddy broke were the same way. He wasn't beating on the truck, just trying to climb over an obstacle and pop!

Again, it is all about weight and wheeling style. Around here, the conditions are relatively dry and the crawling is more technical. In my experience, the people that break things are the people who are more throttle happy than those who aren't. Don't get me wrong though, a d60 would be the preferred choice between a d44 and a d60, but the d44 can be made to live if you use your head and crawl stuff rather than use wheel speed. Maybe your conditions don't allow this?

[87 pathy]

Agreed, driving style is 80%. With the crawler gears, I personnally don't get on it, don't need to.

You can make a 44 live, with those 37's.. I just don't belive they will take more.
I've wheeled from BC to rubicon. so style varies greatly with terrain.. I'd say cali is easier on junk

enough of my post jack