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3day240sx · 10-14-2008, 02:50 PM

I am thinking about building a truggy out of a 89 f150 swb reg cab 2wd and using a 302, 2wd aod, transfer case to be determined, 9" rearend, and probably a wishbone 4wd hp 44 front.

What i am wondering is if it is worth using the 302 and aod or just find a whole new drivetrain? I could simply use the other 9" rearend or one of the 8.8s I have and find a complete new drivetrain. The only reason the 302 and aod is an option is b/c I have them and would only cost to modify but if modifying is going to cost even close to what another setup would then I would prefer to go with something else.

What do you guys think?

Elwood · 10-14-2008, 03:54 PM

I love 302's. But then I am kind of a goof ball. AOD's on the other hand, I think were a waste of metal. If the tranny is in good shape, run it. You can always swap in a C6 later. Build your truggy with what you have man... the mods to put in a Windsor and a better tranny when the time comes will be little to none.

3day240sx · 10-14-2008, 04:09 PM

I don't know much about the swap over from an aod to c6 mainly b/c I hate the aod's that much. Since I have to find a transfer case would it be better to get a junk yard c6 and t-case that is attached? I haven't dealt with this stuff in a few years so I don't know how hard it is to find the parts I will need.

I am guessing the shaft will be around 100 bucks to swap the aod to a 4wd setup and a c6 will be 100 to 300 and if it is 100 then it will end up having to be rebuilt which I can rebuild the clutches no problem but it still makes the price 300+ to get it done.

Seems like everything ends up the same price since I know this won't be done within the next year. I think I just talked myself into get a c6 and a t-case out of a junkyard and rebuilding it to go behind the 302. When time comes I can always go with a 400m in the place of the 302.

What ya think.

Elwood · 10-14-2008, 04:29 PM

Ahh... wait... obviously I can't (or don't) read. I didn't realize the AOD was a 2wd... if it was me, I'd find a C6 with a transfer case attached. It's tougher and a hell of a lot easier to deal with.

brewchief · 10-14-2008, 04:45 PM

I would take the time to find a c-6, preferably w/205, keep in mind that the 289, 302, 351W and 300 six use the small block bell pattern, the 351M, 400, 429, and 460 use the big block bell, and the FE engines use their own pattern. You need to decide what engine family you are going to use and match the trans to it.

Brewchief

3day240sx · 10-14-2008, 05:59 PM

When I put 400m I meant 351w with 400m crank and rods. Sorry for the confusion. I prefer a 300 I6 but they are hard to find and I have a 302. So from what I am reading throw the aod(2wd) away and find c6 and preferably 205 with a small block pattern bell housing. Thanks for the help guys.

cumminstech_1 · 10-15-2008, 07:34 PM

[QUOTE I prefer a 300 I6 but they are hard to find and I have a 302. [/QUOTE]

Where do you live that you cant find a 300 Inline. There the most common engine in the ford f series in f-100 up to the f-250 till they were discontinued In the 90's.

edit: grammer

3day240sx · 10-15-2008, 08:37 PM

I looked within 100 miles of Memphis for 2 years and finally bought a whole truck running to get a good one. I was looking for a 87 to 92 fuel injected though.

94stepsideford · 10-16-2008, 08:09 AM

A c-6 behind a 302....thats funnay.

Go 351W or go c-4. The c-6 will suck down 1/2 the power that little 302 has.

I LOVE 302's so it's not to bad mouth them, just I can tell a big differance between my 95 with a 4R70W, and my 94 with an Np435. I can only Imagine how much more power you would lose with a c-6.

Jason M · 02-20-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94stepsideford

A c-6 behind a 302....thats funnay.

Go 351W or go c-4. The c-6 will suck down 1/2 the power that little 302 has.

I LOVE 302's so it's not to bad mouth them, just I can tell a big differance between my 95 with a 4R70W, and my 94 with an Np435. I can only Imagine how much more power you would lose with a c-6.

That's exactly what I have.

5.0/C6/203/toyota tcase

I really am getting annoyed at the non overdrive tho (it is in more of an expedition rig). Is there any easy way to bypass getting one of the $550 controllers for a 4r70W?? Is an AOD really that much of a money pit that I would waste more than $550 making it reliable?

BeefCakeScout · 02-21-2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3day240sx

When I put 400m I meant 351w with 400m crank and rods.

huh?where have I been?

masterbeavis · 02-25-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BeefCakeScout

huh?where have I been?

It's how the built strokers back in the day IRC. It got the job done, but you had to turn the crank down here and there to get it to fit. Not very strong compared to todays offerings either. Where things got schethy was when they ofset ground the crank for more stroke

hav24wheel · 02-26-2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94stepsideford

A c-6 behind a 302....thats funnay.

Go 351W or go c-4. The c-6 will suck down 1/2 the power that little 302 has.

I LOVE 302's so it's not to bad mouth them, just I can tell a big differance between my 95 with a 4R70W, and my 94 with an Np435. I can only Imagine how much more power you would lose with a c-6.

Ummm. any auto will take away more power from a motor than a manual....

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3day240sx

and probably a wishbone 4wd hp 44 front.

Are you refering to the TTB? thats what it sounda like to me... and if you are i would look for a strait axle if you are going to go over 35s.. don't get me wrong, i like to TTB, but only for a DD and mild off road..

10-14-2008, 02:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
3day240sx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Member # 121342 Posts: 46	spend money or deal with crap??? I am thinking about building a truggy out of a 89 f150 swb reg cab 2wd and using a 302, 2wd aod, transfer case to be determined, 9" rearend, and probably a wishbone 4wd hp 44 front. What i am wondering is if it is worth using the 302 and aod or just find a whole new drivetrain? I could simply use the other 9" rearend or one of the 8.8s I have and find a complete new drivetrain. The only reason the 302 and aod is an option is b/c I have them and would only cost to modify but if modifying is going to cost even close to what another setup would then I would prefer to go with something else. What do you guys think?

10-15-2008, 07:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
cumminstech_1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Member # 112640 Location: Oldenburg IN. Posts: 110	[QUOTE I prefer a 300 I6 but they are hard to find and I have a 302. [/QUOTE] Where do you live that you cant find a 300 Inline. There the most common engine in the ford f series in f-100 up to the f-250 till they were discontinued In the 90's. edit: grammer Last edited by cumminstech_1; 10-15-2008 at 07:36 PM.

10-16-2008, 08:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
94stepsideford Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36399 Location: Hinesburg, VT Posts: 3,147	A c-6 behind a 302....thats funnay. Go 351W or go c-4. The c-6 will suck down 1/2 the power that little 302 has. I LOVE 302's so it's not to bad mouth them, just I can tell a big differance between my 95 with a 4R70W, and my 94 with an Np435. I can only Imagine how much more power you would lose with a c-6. __________________ 94 F-150 Stepside. BGTL 12" lift, 1-tons, 39" 'roks 95 F-150 6" of lift, SAS 35" BFG's

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10-14-2008, 03:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elwood Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120345 Location: Alto, Michigan Posts: 47	I love 302's. But then I am kind of a goof ball. AOD's on the other hand, I think were a waste of metal. If the tranny is in good shape, run it. You can always swap in a C6 later. Build your truggy with what you have man... the mods to put in a Windsor and a better tranny when the time comes will be little to none.

10-14-2008, 04:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
3day240sx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Member # 121342 Posts: 46	I don't know much about the swap over from an aod to c6 mainly b/c I hate the aod's that much. Since I have to find a transfer case would it be better to get a junk yard c6 and t-case that is attached? I haven't dealt with this stuff in a few years so I don't know how hard it is to find the parts I will need. I am guessing the shaft will be around 100 bucks to swap the aod to a 4wd setup and a c6 will be 100 to 300 and if it is 100 then it will end up having to be rebuilt which I can rebuild the clutches no problem but it still makes the price 300+ to get it done. Seems like everything ends up the same price since I know this won't be done within the next year. I think I just talked myself into get a c6 and a t-case out of a junkyard and rebuilding it to go behind the 302. When time comes I can always go with a 400m in the place of the 302. What ya think.

10-14-2008, 04:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Elwood Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Member # 120345 Location: Alto, Michigan Posts: 47	Ahh... wait... obviously I can't (or don't) read. I didn't realize the AOD was a 2wd... if it was me, I'd find a C6 with a transfer case attached. It's tougher and a hell of a lot easier to deal with.

10-14-2008, 04:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
brewchief Rock God Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71185 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,569	I would take the time to find a c-6, preferably w/205, keep in mind that the 289, 302, 351W and 300 six use the small block bell pattern, the 351M, 400, 429, and 460 use the big block bell, and the FE engines use their own pattern. You need to decide what engine family you are going to use and match the trans to it. Brewchief

10-14-2008, 05:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
3day240sx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Member # 121342 Posts: 46	When I put 400m I meant 351w with 400m crank and rods. Sorry for the confusion. I prefer a 300 I6 but they are hard to find and I have a 302. So from what I am reading throw the aod(2wd) away and find c6 and preferably 205 with a small block pattern bell housing. Thanks for the help guys.

10-15-2008, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
3day240sx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Member # 121342 Posts: 46	I looked within 100 miles of Memphis for 2 years and finally bought a whole truck running to get a good one. I was looking for a 87 to 92 fuel injected though.