Bell housing. Diesel and 460 same? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Fordtrucks · 08-19-2009, 06:44 AM

Lookin at the 5 speed in a mid 90s ford. Has a diesel, Didnt look to see if it was the 6.9 or 7.3. Not even sure if they were both options for those years but wondered if that diesel bell housing was the same for a 460? Thats what ide like to use it for..

82F100SWB · 08-19-2009, 07:07 AM

The patterns are not the same, the lower 4 boltholes and the dowel pins are located differently, and the diesel bell doesn't have the holes for starter mounting.
You can drill it to suit, it can and has been done, but, I definatley wouldn't reccomend that.
Also, the diesel transmissions have a 3.79 or 4.14 first gear, depending on the year, where the gasser trans will be 5.72

Fordtrucks · 08-19-2009, 07:10 AM

Oh well shit! Thats a bummers.

masterbeavis · 08-20-2009, 07:03 PM

There are two versions of the ZF, the S5-42 (1307 casting) and the S5-47 (1317 casting) that will fit 3 different families of motors. The 47 I think will handle more torque(470# rating over 420#) and (maybe) has an internal throwout slave thingermabob. Diesels are close ratio, 4.14:1(S5-42) (5.08 S5-47), gassers are 5.72:1

This is a diesel trans with a 460 spacer.

Fordtrucks · 08-23-2009, 08:01 AM

Thanks for the 411....

LOGANSTANFORTH · 08-23-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

There are two versions of the ZF, the S5-42 (1307 casting) and the S5-47 (1317 casting) that will fit 3 different families of motors. The 47 I think will handle more torque(470# rating over 420#) and (maybe) has an internal throwout slave thingermabob. Diesels are close ratio, 4.14:1(S5-42) (5.08 S5-47), gassers are 5.72:1

This is a diesel trans with a 460 spacer.

you should sell me that crew cab there in the back ground......

just4cuz · 08-23-2009, 11:22 AM

He has it for sale.

tenpack · 08-23-2009, 01:33 PM

im assuming the zf5 out of a gas will bolt up to the diesel bellhousing?

Fordtrucks · 08-23-2009, 03:20 PM

The bell housings on the 5 speed models do not seperate from the tranny like the older 4 speed units do.

masterbeavis · 08-23-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenpack

im assuming the zf5 out of a gas will bolt up to the diesel bellhousing?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just4cuz

He has it for sale.

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=653324

tenpack · 08-23-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordtrucks

The bell housings on the 5 speed models do not seperate from the tranny like the older 4 speed units do.

sucks, i was hoping to get the lower gear in my diesel when i swap a zf5 into it. Thanks for the info guys.

t120r · 08-23-2009, 10:55 PM

I'd love a spare gas ZF if someone has one to sell.

08-19-2009, 06:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fordtrucks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 54152 Location: Rapid City,South Dakota Posts: 888	Bell housing. Diesel and 460 same? Lookin at the 5 speed in a mid 90s ford. Has a diesel, Didnt look to see if it was the 6.9 or 7.3. Not even sure if they were both options for those years but wondered if that diesel bell housing was the same for a 460? Thats what ide like to use it for.. __________________ 2008 F250 CC SB Lariat 4x4. 700HP on fuel. 93 F150. 01 F350. 97 Ram 1500.

08-19-2009, 07:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
82F100SWB Fawkin Fordhead Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15263 Location: Winterpeg, Canada Posts: 2,048	The patterns are not the same, the lower 4 boltholes and the dowel pins are located differently, and the diesel bell doesn't have the holes for starter mounting. You can drill it to suit, it can and has been done, but, I definatley wouldn't reccomend that. Also, the diesel transmissions have a 3.79 or 4.14 first gear, depending on the year, where the gasser trans will be 5.72 __________________ 96 F350 XL CC PSD/5 speed 4x4... New Tow pig in the making 96 F250 XLT Ex Cab PSD/5 speed 4x4... DD/Tow Pig 92 W250 LE, CTD/5 speed 4x4, tow pig/DD/snow pushin pig 86 F250... 460/T19/1345/D60/welded 10.25, 44 Boggers, reg cab, some junk... Build

08-19-2009, 07:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fordtrucks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 54152 Location: Rapid City,South Dakota Posts: 888	Oh well shit! Thats a bummers. __________________ 2008 F250 CC SB Lariat 4x4. 700HP on fuel. 93 F150. 01 F350. 97 Ram 1500.

08-23-2009, 08:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fordtrucks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 54152 Location: Rapid City,South Dakota Posts: 888	Thanks for the 411.... __________________ 2008 F250 CC SB Lariat 4x4. 700HP on fuel. 93 F150. 01 F350. 97 Ram 1500.

08-23-2009, 01:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
tenpack Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 47300 Location: Lower Mainland, B.C. Posts: 128	im assuming the zf5 out of a gas will bolt up to the diesel bellhousing? __________________ 83 chev pickup LPG350/400/208 on 10b/14bff on 37 iroks

08-20-2009, 07:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
masterbeavis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9468 Location: Eldorado BFE, East of sac Posts: 2,827	There are two versions of the ZF, the S5-42 (1307 casting) and the S5-47 (1317 casting) that will fit 3 different families of motors. The 47 I think will handle more torque(470# rating over 420#) and (maybe) has an internal throwout slave thingermabob. Diesels are close ratio, 4.14:1(S5-42) (5.08 S5-47), gassers are 5.72:1 This is a diesel trans with a 460 spacer.

08-23-2009, 11:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
just4cuz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 98655 Location: Alta Loma, Ca. Posts: 1,824	He has it for sale.

08-23-2009, 03:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fordtrucks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 54152 Location: Rapid City,South Dakota Posts: 888	The bell housings on the 5 speed models do not seperate from the tranny like the older 4 speed units do. __________________ 2008 F250 CC SB Lariat 4x4. 700HP on fuel. 93 F150. 01 F350. 97 Ram 1500.

08-23-2009, 10:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
t120r Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Member # 100306 Posts: 52	I'd love a spare gas ZF if someone has one to sell.

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