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Old 12-19-2009, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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what has the same bolt pattern as a 300?

i've got a 79 f-250. from what i gather, the inline 6 has the small block bolt pattern. which other engines will bolt up to the transmission? i know that 302 and 351W are both small blocks, what about the 400 or 390? what kind of mileage are you getting with these engines in a similar truck? the 300 is torquey, but it has zero top end, it gets horrible mileage (which i kind of expected). and the last time i checked the oil, it had some pretty chunky stuff in it, so im eying replacement motors...
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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bolt pattern

The 300 six cyl. is small block pattern ,the same as 302, 351 w ,and 351 c .
The 300 has more torque than 302 and maybe 351 stock. The 351 w has the most performance promise for less money, alot more available parts options. Far a fuel mileage depends on gears, tire size ,trans and how you drive!!
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the 351c has the most performance options for the least money IMO depending on what you start with for heads
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417 cleaver. 351W block (appropriately drilled/passage blocked/bored .60), 351C heads, 400 crank (appropriately machined). factory parts for performance applications

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You can get more power from the 351W/C but as far as cheap they don't compare to a 302/5.0 the 302 is the chevy 350 of fords... plenty of parts, a zillion of them made.

I converted a 81 F150 300 I6 to a 351W it was about as easy as a motor swap could go.. just change the mounts and flywheel and your done. Just so you know the flywheels will bolt up but they are balanced differently... make sure you get the correct one. The 351W was way faster than the 6 going down the road but pulling a trailer the 300 would get it moving easier. If i had to do it over i would have used a 302... the engine and parts are easier to find and cheaper. Also remember when you getting your accessory brackets the if you got with a 351W it has a 1.5" taller deck and most all of the brackets are different.
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300's are torque monsters run that bitch on propane and get some real work done.
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I've had several 300's...they do have top-end...just need to get it in the right gear!! and milage is usually around 20 for 2wd..15 4wd..aint fastest towin..but it wont ever quit!

240/300/302/351w 3.8L are all the same bellhousing..

351c and Modified..400 same

360-390same

427-460same

Im SURE ive missed some..feel free to add them in...
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I've had several 300's...they do have top-end...just need to get it in the right gear!! and milage is usually around 20 for 2wd..15 4wd..aint fastest towin..but it wont ever quit!

240/300/302/351w 3.8L are all the same bellhousing..

351c and Modified..400 same NO THE 351c DOES NOT SHARE THE 400 BELLHOUSING IT IS THE SAME AS THE 300 302 351W

360-390same

427-460same also wrong

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you got a few wrong
I think the pattern is called MEL but not sure, the 351m 400 429 460 all use it and maybe the truck 370s as well
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something may be wrong with mine...i know it won't compare to a new diesel or anything, but i just dont feel like it puts out the torque that is should...and its only getting around 9 MPG, with tires that are stock (or within an inch or two) and a 4 speed. if i do a swap it won't be a built motor, a cheap rebuild and maybe a cam or something would be the absolute most it would get...if thats the case, would the 351 be a better bet than the 302, just to get the bit more displacement?
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MJ, 400's did come with the small block bellhousing pattern, they came in some cars, they are rare, but they are out there.

If you're 300 has a manual behind it, you are just a bellhousing and motor mount swap away from any ford motor you want.
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yeah, seen pictures of it
go find one and get back to me
rare is an understatement
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Lol, very true, but they are out there
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If you're 300 has a manual behind it, you are just a bellhousing and motor mount swap away from any ford motor you want.
so, if i can find a donor with a manual, and i can take the motor, mounts, and bellhousing, everything will bolt up?
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Starter too, but yeah pretty much, check to make sure the tranny mounts are the same, as there may be slightly different mounts as the engines may be located different from the different lengths. And make sure you take the flywheel with it too, as there are about 3-4 different diameter flywheels ford has used, and some bellhousings won't work with the larger flywheels.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...using_patterns

this should end all question
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seriously? you used wiki as a reference to end a thread? the source that can be changed by anyone with an admin log in?
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you got a few wrong
I think the pattern is called MEL but not sure, the 351m 400 429 460 all use it and maybe the truck 370s as well
hmmm...im pretty sure the 351C isnt the same as the winsor...

oh well...been wrong before...
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this thread could morph into the 78/9 frame side engine stands and what bolts to what stands
are the 300 stands unique or just another windsor/351m stand with a mount to match?
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seriously? you used wiki as a reference to end a thread? the source that can be changed by anyone with an admin log in?
Well show me a error in it

...yeah thats what i thought it's 100% correct.

Second, it wasn't a end to the thread, just a end to the question of what fits what. So smart guy if you refer to the question at hand it was about replacement motors and what is the best for the OP. What I posted had nothing to do with the point of this thread other than what parts was needed. So I guess my point is, piss off mouth breather.
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MJ, 400's did come with the small block bellhousing pattern, they came in some cars, they are rare, but they are out there.

If you're 300 has a manual behind it, you are just a bellhousing and motor mount swap away from any ford motor you want.
1973 was the year the 400 used the windsor bellhousing bolt pattern. It was found in cars using the fmx automatic. It had both bellhousing patters 385 pattern and windsor pattern. Rare
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Well show me a error in it

...yeah thats what i thought it's 100% correct.

Second, it wasn't a end to the thread, just a end to the question of what fits what. So smart guy if you refer to the question at hand it was about replacement motors and what is the best for the OP. What I posted had nothing to do with the point of this thread other than what parts was needed. So I guess my point is, piss off mouth breather.
well it does list the 400 pattern under a seperate heading, kinda lists it multiple times so it is clear as mud
and wtf is a 512?
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wtf is a 512?
it is a SVO factory stroker.. basically a stroked 460

You can buy it from ford or make one with crank kits from several different places.
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you mean the 514?
google 512 and show me where this is as common engine
if we are adding oddball stroker numbers then the list is gonna be very long

'mouth breather'? really? that is your A game?
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you mean the 514?
google 512 and show me where this is as common engine
if we are adding oddball stroker numbers then the list is gonna be very long

'mouth breather'? really? that is your A game?
Educate yourself before you look too stupid, it is a factory available engine not a oddball.

http://en.allexperts.com/e/f/fo/ford_385_engine.htm

And no that is not my best, I hope that is not your best technical advise either.
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Educate yourself before you look too stupid, it is a factory available engine not a oddball.

http://en.allexperts.com/e/f/fo/ford_385_engine.htm

And no that is not my best, I hope that is not your best technical advise either.
really, what is your definition of "factory available"?
it never came in a vehicle, and I am not sure it ever was available from ford cause it certainly doesnt show up on an internet search, but 514 comes up with innumerable hits

how about a link to the 2007 FRPP catalogue, scroll to page 65
http://www.mypowerproducts.com/downl...alog_deel2.pdf


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514 CUBIC INCH 625HP FORD RACING
PERFORMANCE CRATE ENGINE ASSEMBLY
M-6007-D514RT* Rear Sump T-pan
• 625 HP @ 6250 RPM
• 600 ft./lbs. of torque @ 4800 RPM
• 10.25:1 compression ratio (nominal)
• Forged aluminum dished pistons, M-6108-C514
• H-beam connecting rods, M-6200-C514
• Mechanical roller camshaft, M-6250-A514
(mechanical roller camshafts not recommended for street use;
contact Techline for more details)
• High-performance rear T-sump oil pan, fits most Fox body cars
• MSD billet distributor
• Cast nodular iron, M-6303-A514
• Sturdy 460 2-bolt main short block M-6009-D514
• M-6049-SCJB “Super Cobra Jet” aluminum cylinder heads
• M-9424-H429 “Victor Jr.” single plane intake manifold
(requires Dominator carb)
NOTE: See engine installation and tuning tips on page 40.
Photo and specs may vary.
Look at what you get:
• A 514 cubic inch engine assembly that includes the items listed
above and a multi-index timing chain, 4130 one-piece push rods,
roller rocker arms, HV oil pump, pickup, high-performance oil pan,
M-6582-C460 valve covers, aluminum front cover and water pump,
damper, flywheel, spark plugs, related long block engine parts
and remanufactured block .030" overbore – to which
Ford Racing engineers have added:
– Ford Racing “Super Cobra Jet” aluminum cylinder heads.
They flow significantly more than production 460 heads.
Combustion chamber volume is 72cc (nominal)
– Ford Racing “Super Cobra Jet” valve train includes
dual-valve springs, retainers, keepers, seals and premium
stainless steel swirl polished valves. Intake valve diameter
is 2.20" and exhaust valve diameter is 1.76"
– Ford Racing high-performance solid roller mechanical
camshaft M-6250-A514 provides significant horsepower
increases above 3500 RPM and good low-end torque.
Valve lift is .640" intake and exhaust. Duration at .050"
is 254 degrees intake and 258 degrees exhaust
– Ford Racing forged aluminum dished pistons
M-6108-C514, bore size 4.360" (+.030")
– Remanufactured blocks have a clean-up cut to the
cylinder head deck, align honed main bearing bore,
bottom tapped holes (no heli-coils), new freeze plug
and cam bearings
good enough tech for you mouth breather?
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