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Old 01-28-2010, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stupid H block for D60 calipers

Hey guys,
I'm putting my 1986 front Dana 60 together and it's been apart
for like a year, I'm just now ready to put the calipers
on but forget how they go on? I don't remember how the pads go
in either? I'd like to see pics or a link to pics...

I bought new dual piston calipers, and everything else...
They came with a new zig-zag wire spring thing and I'm reusing
the old H blocks.

I'm not converting to another caliper, I'm
using what I have.... so buying different brakes ain't happening.

My question is... How do the calipers go on?
Where does the H Block pound into? Where does
the spring thing go?

Sorry, I know this is dumb... I just don't remember how
it goes together.

Can somebody post photos please?
Brakes are kinda important, I want them to work.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I would liek to see also. I have been having issues with my ford caliper poping out. That stupid H piece will not hold them in.

I r dumb and can't figure it out
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have seen 86 fronts go either way on calipers....I assume you are using the bolt on style caliper? If you only have the "H" you are missing the spring that goes on top of the "h" before it slides in the caliper bracket. Once in there, there is a bolt that holds the "H" in place. I don't remember there being a zig-zag wire used with that style caliper. Thats used when you have the one piece caliper and is used to keep the pads in place. I will look at my 79 60's when I get home and tell you for sure.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you have the Bendix style retainer with the h-block and bolt retainer for it, the top of the caliper sildes into the V in the top of the bracket, and the h-block is driven into the opening between the bottom of the caliper and the bottom of the bracket.
If you don't have the bolthole on the bottom and have a V in the bottom of the bracket too, you need to use the goofy Ford retainers with the rubber center in them which drive in top and bottom. The H-block was used until 10/85, the Ford style is later.
This is a chevy, at a weird angle, and it's ground for 15's, but it's the best pic I can find of the H-block setup installed.
http://www.coloradok5.com/d60calipergrind/pic7.jpg
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Red face

There is NO bolt. When I took the caliper off,
all I did was pound out the H Block... And the caliper came off.
No bolt at all. I just stripped down my buddys 79 Dana 60, and it was
the exact same way.

There's No Bolt at all. Just a block.

I have Calipers, the old H Block & a big zig zag wire spring
that came with the new calipers.

Please post up info about the
H Block mounting of the Ford Dual Piston caliper.
This is a front Dana 60
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help?

Sorry dude, this is hilarious.
Nothing in this drawing looks even remotely close
to what my Dana 60 caliper bracket or caliper look like.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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the zig zag spring holds the pads on the caliper,
post pics of this 1979 with no H block retaining bolt, a small slightly bent spring
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I'm not posting pics.., im the one that needs
the help here.

I need to see pics on How these
calipers go on!
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:15 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i googled it for you

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/d...-t143024.html?
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That ain't it. We've got the two piston calipers. I'm about to put my 60 together after a long time too. I'll probably need help getting the whole thing put back. How do you install an ARB and 5.13's?
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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seems like you're looking at some parts like these?

(not the exact parts but similar, disregard that little spring clip on top)
If so the block is oriented with the half-circular cutouts facing down. The spring steel goes on top of the block with the two 90 degree bent ends hanging over either end.
Put the top of the caliper in place on the stand, and rotate the bottom in to place. Its tricky to line it up right, but if you eyeball the area where the block goes as you're rotating it into place you can see where its supposed to be.

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A 79 one most certainly does have a retaining bolt to hold the block and spring in place. And for the record, ALL Ford Dana 60 fronts were dual piston caliper. The main thing you need to provide us so that we can help you is a picture or part number of your caliper. Either the caliper is a one piece design or a two piece (bendix) design. Basically, does the caliper have 2 7/8's headed bolts that hold it on the bracket..one at the top, one at the bottom, and you are able to take the caliper off without taking the wheel off?
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The H-blocks install and remove exactly the same way on the Ford dual piston calipers as they do on Dodge/GM stuff, and on medium duty stuff, it's all a Bendix style system. There should be a retaining bolt, no matter what, or the h-block will walk out. It's probably sheared off in the caliper stand.
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The H-blocks install and remove exactly the same way on the Ford dual piston calipers as they do on Dodge/GM stuff, and on medium duty stuff, it's all a Bendix style system. There should be a retaining bolt, no matter what, or the h-block will walk out. It's probably sheared off in the caliper stand.
Yeah, have fun drilling that out.. had drill and retap mine..
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Yeah, have fun drilling that out.. had drill and retap mine..
Those H blocks have 2 holes for a reason I think
After the EZ out broke in mine, I just tapped the other hole.
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Those H blocks have 2 holes for a reason I think
After the EZ out broke in mine, I just tapped the other hole.
Yeah, I should have...
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IF this is a 86 front it should NOT use the H block. 78-9's used those. The later ones used a diamond shaped punch pin with small bumps on the ends to retain them. Also there are 2 per side. NAPA has loaded calapers with new punch pins if you have the correct ones. They also have rubber inside them.
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IF this is a 86 front it should NOT use the H block. 78-9's used those. The later ones used a diamond shaped punch pin with small bumps on the ends to retain them. Also there are 2 per side. NAPA has loaded calapers with new punch pins if you have the correct ones. They also have rubber inside them.
Don't know about '86. Both my '85 F250 & F150 used the H Block.
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Sorry it took so long, I was on tour...

one of the pics shows the spring for the caliper/pads.

Let me know if you need more pics or other views.


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I understand exactly how this thing goes together.

I've been trying to install the H shaped block & the long C shaped spacer for better part of an hour.


Unless I hold the caliper with one hand, it keeps falling out.

I get the spring in, & can kinda hold onto the H block, but I can't line it up/start pounding it in with my BFH.

Is there a trick to this?

Or did they seriously design this from the factory as a 2 man job?

EDIT: I just had a thought/question someone might be able to answer.
Could I have installed the caliper brackets on the wrong sides/upside-down?
Does the H piece go on the top or bottom?
Mine is currently on the bottom (bolt is there also).
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I just put mine together Saturday. Are you sure you have the retention spring between the H-block and Caliper? It should just slide in while you hold the Caliper against the rotor.
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EDIT: I just had a thought/question someone might be able to answer.
Could I have installed the caliper brackets on the wrong sides/upside-down?
Does the H piece go on the top or bottom?
Mine is currently on the bottom (bolt is there also).
Bottom.
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I just put mine together Saturday. Are you sure you have the retention spring between the H-block and Caliper? It should just slide in while you hold the Caliper against the rotor.
Edit: I can get the H block in without the spacer, it's rather snug (needed to be hammered in). But not super tight...

Do I need the spacer?
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Edit: I can get the H block in without the spacer, it's rather snug (needed to be hammered in). But not super tight...

Do I need the spacer?
I have done a few of these, and they have all needed the spacer. The spring eliminates the slop.
Is the H-block completely seated on the caliper bracket?
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Here's a pic of the modification I do to the Caliper bracket, I got sick of the factory bolt continually breaking off in the bracket, so I drilled all the way through the bracket, and use a 2" long 1/4" dia. bolt all the way through the bracket, with a wedge under the nut. I can change the brakes now with out trying to drill out a bolt, and retapping.


I also weld the half of the old H-Bracket (Rail cut off), to a new one. This way, all you need is the bolt head to keep the H-bracket from sliding out.


I've had this setup on a E350 van for over 5 years with no problems. And I just did this to my buggy last weekend.
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