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Old 05-31-2010, 12:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2005 f-250, 6.0 hydrolocked

pretty sure my motor is hydrolocked.started blowin white smoke on the way home from a trip yesturday and wouldn't crank today.just makes a thud noise.anyone know if i can just pull the injectors and flush it out?. i had a bad injector seal last year,smoked the same,never got to this point and the dealer fixed it because it was still under warranty.now it's not and i'm gonna have to learn how to fix it on my own.

any info or links on injector stuff is greatly appriciated
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any coolant loss? if so more than likley a cracked egr cooler
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Has it been puking coolant out the degas bottle? could be head gaskets also.
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yep, thats an egr cooler, pull the egr valve and look inside, you will see coolant, make sure you replace the oil cooler at the same time or you will have a repeat failure, pull the glow plugs out to clear it after you drain the coolant, it is about a grand in parts for everything you will need to repair this. head gaskets dont smoke out the exhaust on
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yep, thats an egr cooler, pull the egr valve and look inside, you will see coolant, make sure you replace the oil cooler at the same time or you will have a repeat failure, pull the glow plugs out to clear it after you drain the coolant, it is about a grand in parts for everything you will need to repair this. head gaskets dont smoke out the exhaust on
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Thanks man,i'm going to start sourcing parts.i have to do this on my own,i don't have the cash or enough ammo to deal with the dealer.they told me about a thousand dollars last year to do an EGR valve,then i found out you could get one for 229.00 and it took about 5 minutes to swap it out. or i could just get the gasket and o-rings for 4 bucks and clean it with carb cleaner,another 6 bucks. so for 10 dollars i fixed a 1000 dollar dealer repair.

i heard a roaring noise also,truck got a new clutch fan at 99,000. now i have 128,000 and i think i need a new one of those again. 30,000 miles out of a clutch fan that was 300 bucks? yeah sounds about right.this truck has been towed to the dealer 6 times since the 67,000 mile mark.

gettin real old with me now.
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if it was me I think I'd try to sell it and find a 7.3 or a cummins. I love my fords but I've not heard a single good thing about the 6.0.
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same thing happened to a friends 6.0 egr cooler, I think he did an egr delete or something.
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same thing happened to a friends 6.0 egr cooler, I think he did an egr delete or something.
would love to,but i heard the kit is about 600 bucks and i still don't have the knowledge to do it.
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would love to,but i heard the kit is about 600 bucks and i still don't have the knowledge to do it.
I'll show him this thread.
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you must have gotten lucky with o-rings on a egr valve, usually it is a problem with the potentiometer inside the unit or a sticking issue, the roaring can be caused by a normal command of the fan due to getting hot especially since the coolant will be low from the cooler rupturing, fyi, the egr valve should not just be swapped out, you need to run a koeo self test to reset the base valve setting or dtc's and driveability issues result, i should probably also say that the reason the egr cooler pops is due to lack of coolant flow, the oil cooler gets the flow first and feeds the egr cooler, the oil cooler plugs up and restricts coolant flow to the egr cooler and it ruptures, even if you delete the egr cooler, you will melt your engine in short order due to oil overtemp if it is plugged, just one good hill with a plugged oil cooler and oil will go to 225-230 degrees, not good..
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head over to the nation and see what they have to say. ask a guy named doug, gogodiesel. His knowledge of the 6.0 is second to none. I would delete the egr if you can, if not, after you replace it GET A COOLANT FILTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When International cast these blocks they used sand, some of the sand is still in the coolant passages. It collects in the EGR and you loose flow, it over heats and a slew of problems follow. You can get a cooler from dieselsite for around a hundred bucks I think.


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you must have gotten lucky with o-rings on a egr valve, usually it is a problem with the potentiometer inside the unit or a sticking issue, the roaring can be caused by a normal command of the fan due to getting hot especially since the coolant will be low from the cooler rupturing, fyi, the egr valve should not just be swapped out, you need to run a koeo self test to reset the base valve setting or dtc's and driveability issues result, i should probably also say that the reason the egr cooler pops is due to lack of coolant flow, the oil cooler gets the flow first and feeds the egr cooler, the oil cooler plugs up and restricts coolant flow to the egr cooler and it ruptures, even if you delete the egr cooler, you will melt your engine in short order due to oil overtemp if it is plugged, just one good hill with a plugged oil cooler and oil will go to 225-230 degrees, not good..
earlier this week i started the truck one morning and got a little puff of white smoke,same way it started last year.so i pulled the egr and cleaned it,replaced the o-rings and gasket.fired up the truck and it was pushin white smoke.took it for a ride and it cleaned out,then started getting the traditional black smoke with some hesitation,then it cleared out and was fine for a day or two.thought i had it licked.the new oil cooler thing now makes sense to me with what you posted.

i could care less about eliminating the egr,this truck is completely stock with no mods.i have plenty of modified toys and i have never done anything with this thing because it's my daily driver,i just want it to start and drive how it should.i love the truck,but we all know having to turn a wrench every month gets old.
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head over to the nation and see what they have to say. ask a guy named doug, gogodiesel. His knowledge of the 6.0 is second to none. I would delete the egr if you can, if not, after you replace it GET A COOLANT FILTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When International cast these blocks they used sand, some of the sand is still in the coolant passages. It collects in the EGR and you loose flow, it over heats and a slew of problems follow. You can get a cooler from dieselsite for around a hundred bucks I think.


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i'm all for a coolant filter,and at a hundred bucks,i'll defiitly do one.but this truck is an 05 and i just turned 128,000,do you really thing there could be something left in the block at this point?, i just can't see that.maybe there was and now over time,it's what clogged (or help clog) the oil cooler and lead to this.
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yep, thats an egr cooler, pull the egr valve and look inside, you will see coolant, make sure you replace the oil cooler at the same time or you will have a repeat failure, pull the glow plugs out to clear it after you drain the coolant, it is about a grand in parts for everything you will need to repair this. head gaskets dont smoke out the exhaust on
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just did a quick search on ebay for ford 6.0 egr stuff and the first guy has a kit with the cooler,oil cooler and egr with gaskets for 550.00,was the 1300.00 price tag from ford?,wouldn't surprise me.

i'm guessing this is what i would need, plus adding a coolant filter.wonder where i'd mount that ? considering the amount of shit already mounted on and around this motor.
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this is an easy $100 fix.






ill give you $100 for the truck and your problem is solved..lol
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this is an easy $100 fix.






ill give you $100 for the truck and your problem is solved..lol
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cause that's what it's gonna take to get the bad taste out of my mouth with the motor.

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I'm no diesel mechanic, so this is just what I was told by my (non-dealer)mechanic... but it makes sense. I had 3 injectors down (I'm like you, I love the truck, but...)... Ford wanted $1800 to do 3 and an injector clean on the rest... I had all 8 done (NOT at the dealer! And, if you've got 2 or 3 bad, the rest are on their way). Paid $4200 to have all 8 AND the egr cooler replaced. At 10k miles after repair, I'm gonna go back and have him block it off. He said that these motors will be fine for a LONG time IF you do the following: change the oil/filter AND fuel filters every 3000 miles... and add power service to every tank of fuel. The injectors in this motor are particularly affected by poor fuel quality (Ford/IH designed the motor/injectors to run on fuel with a cetane level about 3 points higher than what you can currently get at the pump), low fuel pressure (don't EVER run it out of fuel!), and dirty/degrading oil. The egr cooler was just a bad idea. But, it can (should) be blocked off. BTW, mine is also and '05 and had 128k on it when I had these repairs done... cooler hadn't ruptured yet, just replaced it while he was in there as a preventative. I'm not saying my problem and yours is the same, just offering what I was told to make this motor live a long and productive life. If you just have a cooler problem, and injectors are fine, this maintenance schedule may keep them good for a long time.

Any feedback FordTechGuru? This all sound right to you?
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clean oil is number one, never go past 5000 miles on a change, as far as the "i got sand in my oil cooler" i suspect that is a web legend, but, i am doing one right now and can cut it apart and see, i drain coolant all day long out of these and have never seen any sand come out of these cooling systems, some guys seem to think that but i have never seen it, sand is heavy and will accumulate in the bottom of a radiator, the oil cooler is up high in the valley of the engine... ford injectors are around $400 ea, injector cleaning is a waste of money, the failure point is the oil side of the injector...
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tell you what, ill make it $200 and you throw in the toy next to it
nice truck thou, just needs the 7.3
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clean oil is number one, never go past 5000 miles on a change, as far as the "i got sand in my oil cooler" i suspect that is a web legend, but, i am doing one right now and can cut it apart and see, i drain coolant all day long out of these and have never seen any sand come out of these cooling systems, some guys seem to think that but i have never seen it, sand is heavy and will accumulate in the bottom of a radiator, the oil cooler is up high in the valley of the engine... ford injectors are around $400 ea, injector cleaning is a waste of money, the failure point is the oil side of the injector...
i never go past 4000 on a change,most of the time it's around 3500,if it falls when i have the time to do it.

as far as draining the coolant,wheres the best place to do so? lower hose or somewhere better?

also how involved is the "getting to" the oil cooler?
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petcock drivers side, the oil cooler is below the oil filter housing, just finished this one up, it pays 12 hours to do both coolers and a flush, btw, the flush engineering reccomends is a iron cleaner called vc-9..
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I just did an oil cooler and egr cooler last week. Now it looks like I have a set of headgaskets that I get to do on another customer's truck.

I think we buy egr coolers by the pallet. I have another one that is getting a new engine as well.
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petcock drivers side, the oil cooler is below the oil filter housing, just finished this one up, it pays 12 hours to do both coolers and a flush, btw, the flush engineering reccomends is a iron cleaner called vc-9..
so basically i'm gonna have to remove everything off the top of the motor to get to this thing correct?,sayin that it's a 12 hour paying job,would of like to hear it's a 3 hour paying job. .

i'm sure theres gotta be a write up somewhere that i can reference from,i'm just not familiar with this thing at all,i'm not scared of it,but it is a little intimidating your first time.i'm also going to try and find some sort of service book for this motor also,something i can have in hand while sitting ontop of this thing turning wrenches.

also is the flush something i can do,or do i have to have it done?if it's as easy as filling it,running it,draining it,that would be nice.
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yeh, fill, run, drain.. yep, all you gotta do is pull the turbo, oil housing, intake manifold, turbo pedestal, ficm, air box, then the oil cooler, then dissassemble the cooler and install the kit, reassemble and change the oil, oh, make sure the h/p oil screen isn't ruptured also while the cooler is out too, and be carefull not to get any dirt into the engine while doing this job, otherwise you will need an ipr next week... simple eh...
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