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bugger · 12-11-2010, 09:57 PM

I have a 2000 F-350. My question is if I switch to a high steer set up do I still need the panhard bar. Or will I still run into bump steer problems if I remove the panhard bar

Havok450 · 12-11-2010, 10:00 PM

I would assume that with or without high steer, you will experience some varrying form of bump steer, but I will admit idk anything

seemoremud · 12-11-2010, 10:13 PM

Bump steer is a result of the panhard and the drag link being at different angles and lengths. So, if you change the angle of the drag and make it different than the angle of the panhard, then yes you'll get some type of bump steer. How much? Hard to tell from my laptop.

If you remove the panhard, you'll probably experience a worse case of wandering or tracking of the front end. Since it keeps the front axle from shifting side-to-side. . I have never experimented with this scenario, so this is just a guess. But I would think removing the track bar will hurt handling more than having it a few a degrees off from the track bar.

You could look into raising the axle mount, thus keeping them closer to the same angle after going high steer

bugger · 12-11-2010, 10:34 PM

Doesn't the leaf springs keep the axle from wandering? I always wondered the reasoning for a panhard bar on a leaf spring suspension. Granted it's a lot older but my 76 3/4 ton chevy doesn't have a panhard bar and it seems to handle just as good as my F-350

f350n4.6ranger · 12-11-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bugger

Doesn't the leaf springs keep the axle from wandering? I always wondered the reasoning for a panhard bar on a leaf spring suspension. Granted it's a lot older but my 76 3/4 ton chevy doesn't have a panhard bar and it seems to handle just as good as my F-350

Don't quote me on this because I'm not as familiar with chevys as fords, but the older chevy trucks had the steering box pushing forward and backward in relation to the driver seat versus the superduty having a link going across the truck. The force of the steering on the axle movement on the chevy is easily controlled by the leaf springs, whereas the steering on the newer ford 1 ton's (86-present) places the load on the side of the spring, thus the need for the trackbar to control side to side movement. It is late, I am drunk, please excuse any grammatical errors.

trkklr77 · 12-11-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by f350n4.6ranger

Don't quote me on this because I'm not as familiar with chevys as fords, but the older chevy trucks had the steering box pushing forward and backward in relation to the driver seat versus the superduty having a link going across the truck. The force of the steering on the axle movement on the chevy is easily controlled by the leaf springs, whereas the steering on the newer ford 1 ton's (86-present) places the load on the side of the spring, thus the need for the trackbar to control side to side movement. It is late, I am drunk, please excuse any grammatical errors.

meh, the track/panhard bar will make a difference even with leafsprings. the taller and softer spring will be the most affected by the removal of it, stock springs you wont really notice any change.

you all ready have an inverted y steerign system so what ever effect you have with the crossove/high would be the same as you get with the i/y system now. take you track bar off and see how it does.

caryt · 12-12-2010, 09:38 AM

We have Hi steer kits with everything including a new ad track bar..PM if I can help. You Cannot go without a track bar..

1sicbronconut · 12-12-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by caryt

We have Hi steer kits with everything including a new ad track bar..PM if I can help. You Cannot go without a track bar..

X2 I've driven quite a few that had the trac bar removed due a broken mount on the axle and I was not very impressed.

TARM · 12-16-2010, 11:01 PM

While you can get away with removing it. It is far from safe and your performance will suffer. It will walk and wander put consdierable lateral stress on the leafs and their mounts. All around a bad idea. Worse yet on a heavy vehicle like a SD.

High steer onthe other had is a excellent idea. You wil be able to dependign on hieght of lift go back to a stadard pitman arm which will greatly reduce stress there. Of course clearnce will be better as well. Bump steer will be greatly reduced/eliminated. Steering effort will also improve. Add a ram assist steering and you will have the best all around steering and control. All nicely up over the axle and out of the way.

12-11-2010, 09:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
bugger Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32565 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 13	Super duty panhard bar I have a 2000 F-350. My question is if I switch to a high steer set up do I still need the panhard bar. Or will I still run into bump steer problems if I remove the panhard bar

12-11-2010, 10:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Havok450 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Member # 138949 Location: Wenatchee Washington Posts: 323	I would assume that with or without high steer, you will experience some varrying form of bump steer, but I will admit idk anything __________________ My friend hates Chevy, but owns 2, wtf

12-11-2010, 10:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
seemoremud Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 58978 Location: Alabama Posts: 17	Bump steer is a result of the panhard and the drag link being at different angles and lengths. So, if you change the angle of the drag and make it different than the angle of the panhard, then yes you'll get some type of bump steer. How much? Hard to tell from my laptop. If you remove the panhard, you'll probably experience a worse case of wandering or tracking of the front end. Since it keeps the front axle from shifting side-to-side. . I have never experimented with this scenario, so this is just a guess. But I would think removing the track bar will hurt handling more than having it a few a degrees off from the track bar. You could look into raising the axle mount, thus keeping them closer to the same angle after going high steer __________________ '91 F-150,ext cab, no bed, shortened WB , 5.13s, D60s locked f&r, leaks a lot

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12-11-2010, 10:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
bugger Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32565 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 13	Doesn't the leaf springs keep the axle from wandering? I always wondered the reasoning for a panhard bar on a leaf spring suspension. Granted it's a lot older but my 76 3/4 ton chevy doesn't have a panhard bar and it seems to handle just as good as my F-350

12-12-2010, 09:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
caryt Rock God Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27775 Location: Wellington, Nevada Posts: 1,093	We have Hi steer kits with everything including a new ad track bar..PM if I can help. You Cannot go without a track bar..

12-16-2010, 11:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
TARM Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Member # 167672 Posts: 32	While you can get away with removing it. It is far from safe and your performance will suffer. It will walk and wander put consdierable lateral stress on the leafs and their mounts. All around a bad idea. Worse yet on a heavy vehicle like a SD. High steer onthe other had is a excellent idea. You wil be able to dependign on hieght of lift go back to a stadard pitman arm which will greatly reduce stress there. Of course clearnce will be better as well. Bump steer will be greatly reduced/eliminated. Steering effort will also improve. Add a ram assist steering and you will have the best all around steering and control. All nicely up over the axle and out of the way.