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Old 01-31-2011, 08:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dana 50

I have a dana 50 to sell what is it worth?
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Straight axle, TTB?
Ratio?
condition?
Complete?
What is it off of?
What bolt pattern?
What's broke?
Details, details, details...

I have seen them sitting in scrap piles that couldn't be given away.
Then if someone needs one...
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Whats the going price for scrap in your area?
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Straight axle: most likely whatever good condition dana 44s are going for in your area.
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LOL its in perfect condition it has 3.73s no issues came out of 02 f250 i think ill give away for 30 pack of bud light
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Double check it. If it came out of an '02 it may be a 60.
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wish you were closer i'd take it off your hands.
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The calipers and unit bearings are worth more than the axle if they are in good shape.
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I'll give ya 30 and pay shipping if you can pallet it and ship it to 74063 all I rly need is the shafts nuckles inner nucles and the tubes don't give a fuck about the center section and where are you at I want it for parts for my 609 build because the olny part 44 is the ring and pinion nutting else I'll drive up and pick it up if your close I'm in Tulsa oklahoma
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LOL its in perfect condition it has 3.73s no issues came out of 02 f250 i think ill give away for 30 pack of bud light


02 pretty sure its a 60
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there's nothing 44 about a 50.... why do all these dumbasses seem to think its a dana 44 ring and pinion?

its worth whatever anyone will pay.. and dont be too caught up on the year... my buddies 03' still had a 50 under it...
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there's nothing 44 about a 50.... why do all these dumbasses seem to think its a dana 44 ring and pinion?

its worth whatever anyone will pay.. and dont be too caught up on the year... my buddies 03' still had a 50 under it...

Same carrier and pinon bearings
Same yoke spline count
Same hypoid depth
Same High speed D44 Carrier with ring gear bolt holes opened up.
same spider gears
Same side gears 30 spline 1.30
oh yeah the D50 ring and pinion and carrier are a polished HP dana 44 ring and pinion. If you'd like you can set the two side by side or check out the jana 54 thread to see a dana 50 ring and pinion inside a dana 44 housing, you'll see how much in common the two have. You can install the D50 R&P into a HP dana 44 housing with a little grinding and a little spacing of the pinion and the HP D44 gear set has been installed into d50 housings when R&P's were hard to come by. this doesn't mean the Dana 50 is weak. it is an improvement over a hp dana 44 but there is alot that they share.


I must be one of those dumbasses since my old 95 f250 was sporting a dana 44 power lok in my dana 50 housing in 1996 when everyone said limited slips didnt exist for dana 50s and that they had nothing in common but when i had to fix a spider gear and had it out i set all the internals side by side including the ring and pinion and it was shocking. Aside from the extra ring gear diameter 9" vs 8.5" you'll see the dana 50 is more D44 than most people would like to admit.
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Wow why would some one argue with people who have been in them I know for a fact the center guts are 44 parts your a fucking retard don't come in a thread and start calling people a dumb ass until you know who your talking to I'm not the most knoawledable But I do know it's not a 60 with different parts they are 44 guts 60 outers I'm building a 609 I could give two shits less about the inner workings I'll need custom inners any way so they are going to be thrown away
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Same carrier and pinon bearings
Same yoke spline count
Same hypoid depth
Same High speed D44 Carrier with ring gear bolt holes opened up.
same spider gears
Same side gears 30 spline 1.30
Check some part numbers and get back to me. Spiders and carrier bearings are different. You bring a lot of good points, but some errors as well.


The TTB 50 is actually pretty valuable in snow country. They tend to rip apart at the driverside leaf spring. They sell for good money to plow companies. Not to mention that resourceful people can swap one into a F350 to keep the truck usable and then use the 60 in their trail rig.

I am not a fan of the pinion shaft itself. Very weak. I have seen a few of them spit the head off of the pinion and right out of the casting.
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Check some part numbers and get back to me. Spiders and carrier bearings are different. You bring a lot of good points, but some errors as well.


The TTB 50 is actually pretty valuable in snow country. They tend to rip apart at the driverside leaf spring. They sell for good money to plow companies. Not to mention that resourceful people can swap one into a F350 to keep the truck usable and then use the 60 in their trail rig.

I am not a fan of the pinion shaft itself. Very weak. I have seen a few of them spit the head off of the pinion and right out of the casting.

Sometimes generalizations can get me in trouble lol with the correct bearings anything can be done with these two kissing cousins. I should have stated in that "same sized"

using a D44 HS carrier and D44 carrier bearings IIRC was necessary.


For reference from dana here are the load ratings on the stock bearings. also can be found on that linked thread. Dana lists the D50 as suffering lower bearing load capacity due to the higher leverage of the R&P agaisnt the smaller D44 sized beaings
D44___________19,700
D50___________16,000
D60___________23,700


As to the carrier dana always uses different casting numbers per application but there is interchangability. for example a Dana 70HD power-lok can be used and is used in the Dana 80 housing. the Dana 80 power lok has a different casting number on it yet the two are interchangable. the same thing is true with the dana 50 and dana 44. Its been done and is being done in that thread. they may list different numbers but set the two side by side you'll find more than a little interchangability. Carriers are interchangable, the ring gear bolt hols have to be opened up as they do with the d70hd carrier but the size and dimensions are too close to write off as "there's nothing 44 about a 50.... why do all these dumbasses seem to think its a dana 44 ring and pinion?" Randys Ring and pinion can help you or you can check out that linked thread.


I love this posting because it does show the ring and pinion advantage of the Dana 50. thought he bearings may be slightly weaker the overall gerth makes up for that minor weakness. I've never had a carrier bearing fail in a HP D50 or a D44 but D44's are far more like ly to break a tooth during high load and housing deflection. maybe if we were talking about an endurance run the minimal D50 bearing weakness might be a factor but in a front end r&p size is more important.
"So here are the specs for comparison, compiled from Dana's web site and the Differentials identification, restoration & repair guide.

Model........Ring gear size".....Max momentary output torque FT-lb
D30...............7.125.............2350
D35...............7.562.............2500
D35 super.......7.79..............2700
Toy 8"............8.0 ................NA
D44................8.5...............3460
GM 10B...........8.6...............4500
GM 12B...........8.875..............NA
D50................9.0................5000
D60 30sp........9.75...............5500
D60 HD 35 sp...9.75...............6000
D70...............10.5................8000
D70 HD...........10.5...............8800
D80...............11.0.............10,000"


The dana spicer book wont say the part numbers are the same but when you put the HS D44 carrier next to the D50 carrier and start figuring / seeing out the spider gears are similarly sized, the carrier cases are nearly identicle in size and the bearing interchange to make it work you'll find as we did that the d44 and D50 stuff is so close its scary. And also look at the JK rear dana 44 R&P at 8.9 inches the open carrier is different than earlier carriers. Its the same situation as the 50HP vs the 44HP the JK rear 44 vs the std 44 carriers and guts are part numbered different and claimed to not be interchangable. Its not what the book says it the visual fact that the parts are sized and sourced from the same basic castings. ID and OD of the carrier bearings, the measurements of the spiders, the two empty cases side by side all tells the interchangability story.

You are right the D50 is a valuable piece, my old D50 was beat on pretty hard with tire chains on the front end every hunting season and that D44 power lok in there made a world of difference. my quick quip above was to point out that the comment "there's nothing 44 about a 50.... why do all these dumbasses seem to think its a dana 44 ring and pinion?"

was in alot of ways a flawed statement there is alot in common between the D44 and D50. so much so that guys are installing the D50 into the HP Dana 44 housings to gain the extra R&P strength.

couple of stolen pictures from the jana thread and elsewhere but they show some of the similarities and what they do have in common. good pictures from someone out in internet land

D60, D50, D44 , D30


D44 on top D50 on bottom


Some pinion comparisons


ring gears stacked. the D50 being Reverse cut stands out a little


D44 vs Dana 50
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HP Dana 50 Ring and pinion installed in a Dana 44 HP housing obviously with a little grinding and not making the point that this is a drop in deal just the visual showing the striking similarity and the fact that the two are kissing 1st cousins


Couldnt find thart darned picture of the Dana 50 carrier sitting flat side by side to a D44 carrier showing the ring gear surface mounting hieght as being the same.
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that still doesn't mean it's a 44 ring and pinion.. now does it?

My statement still stands.. I see way to many people generically saying that a dana 50 is a 60 with a dana 44 center section.. in the rags, on here, etc... The same type of people that would refer to an axle as "reverse rotation"

Did I say they are not similar? no, I said there is nothing 44 about it, implying that it is NOT dana 44 parts in the center section..

Just because the parts are similar, and because with some work and modifications, they be made to work, does not mean they are the same...

Lincoln 9 3/8" thirds will fit in a 9" housing with some notching, does that make them the same?

I can buy a 3rd to use 8.8 gears in a 9", does that make them the same?

dana 41's take dana 44 spider gears, does that make them a 44, not a 41?

dana 35 pinion yokes fit on a dana 44, but are a little loose in the splines, must be the same axle..right?

My buddy built a 609 using ttb 50 outers, and machined down sterling 10.25 side gears to fit in the 9" carrier to make a 35 spline spool, does this mean that a 9" really is a 10.25?

dana 60's and 70's take the same pinion yoke, same diff cover, same carrier bearings in most cases, pinion bearings in some.... so should we consider a 70 to be just a dana 60?

I can make a dana 80 carrier fit in a 70HD housing, does this make them the same?



The answer is NO....

I've had my hands in enough axles to know whats similiar, and what isn't...

So don't shit in my total, and try telling me it's raisin bran....
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that still doesn't mean it's a 44 ring and pinion.. now does it? nobody said it was a D44 R&P, what was said is that it shares parts. big difference i even pointed out the strength advantage of the r&P

My statement still stands.. I see way to many people generically saying that a dana 50 is a 60 with a dana 44 center section.. in the rags, on here, etc... The same type of people that would refer to an axle as "reverse rotation" metal is only so strong and when the carrier is the same size and interchanges between the two then id say thats a D44 strength carrier, D44 inner spline strength sporting D60 outer stubs and ujoints cant change physics

Did I say they are not similar? no, I said there is nothing 44 about it, implying that it is NOT dana 44 parts in the center section.. Since they swap back and forth with the same, come from the same basic casting, share the same cross shaft and same sized spider gears in my book and in many others that makes it similar enough to call them close enough to fit and therefore basically a d44 center inside that housing

Just because the parts are similar, and because with some work and modifications, they be made to work, does not mean they are the same...

Lincoln 9 3/8" thirds will fit in a 9" housing with some notching, does that make them the same? notching a housing is different from a dana proceedure of opening up ring gear bolt holes on a case. you are talking third members and changing the whole pumpkin i am talking about a carrier that was born of the same parts bin if we were talking about stuffing the 50 gears into a 44 housing then maybe we could make the connection. btw i shows that picture above not to say that a d50 r&p easily fits but to show the similarity of the two, i have seen d44 hp gears installed into a ttb d50 third member also.

I can buy a 3rd to use 8.8 gears in a 9", does that make them the same? seems like aftermarket not factory stuff that we are discussing here

dana 41's take dana 44 spider gears, does that make them a 44, not a 41? so yes i could in a way say equal in strength born of the same idea but the offset is different unlike the D80/D70hd discussion or the HPd44/ D50 discussion where its a drop in deal minus ring gear bolt holes. Mopar and dana have a proceedure for opening up the holes on D44 carriers for the JK carrier since some use the larger ring gear bolts and some do not. does that mean the JKd44 is the same as the std scout d44, no but they are kissing cousins and share a key part the carrier the same part that makes the D50 a kissing cousin to the d44 and the same weak link is shared by 4 different R&P styles the LP D44, the JKD44, the HP D44 and the D50.

dana 35 pinion yokes fit on a dana 44, but are a little loose in the splines, must be the same axle..right? Are you trying to make a huge stretch of a point that is not very good, loose splines are in fact loose splines obviously doesnt fit and there is nothing you can do to make it fit.

My buddy built a 609 using ttb 50 outers, and machined down sterling 10.25 side gears to fit in the 9" carrier to make a 35 spline spool, does this mean that a 9" really is a 10.25? Still not factory drop in and definately not interchangable, and wow really far into the realm of shoe-horning

dana 60's and 70's take the same pinion yoke, same diff cover, same carrier bearings in most cases, pinion bearings in some.... so should we consider a 70 to be just a dana 60? Can you share carriers, nope since the ring gear holes are out further, thus requiring more material. they arent as similar and definately are not equal in strength, but share alot. you can interchange alot of other parts. get into machining and then its a different discussion there no drop in ability though in ref to the carrier

I can make a dana 80 carrier fit in a 70HD housing, does this make them the same? Yep at least in the realm of strength those two carriers are equal. in strength if weights the same , fits the same spiders, axle spines are the same, measures the same and interchanges between the two carriers functions the same too it a family thing designed from the same drawing board they have the same limitations. now in this case like the dana 50 the ring and pinion is the difference and the pinion is far stronger on the 80 and not where i am making an arguement. the carrier in the D80 with 35 spline shafts is Dana 70HD guts in a Dana 80 since the original dana 80 was 37 and the spider gears in a case like the Plok are limited in what they can handle, they never made a 37 spline Plok limited slip because the side gears and case couldnt take the bigger axles so the dana 80 35 spline is one carrier discussion and 37 spline carrier is another in the case of the D44 and Dana 50 they share pinion diameter, something the D80 and the D70hd do not, share the same 30 spline shafts and same 30 spline side gears and the same small carrier. so like with the 50 i do not claim that the ring and pinion is anywhere equal to the 44 and they are not the same differential but with the D44 carrier vs D50 carrier you can claim there is something special but they are visually, dimensionally and functionally the same and drilling out ring gear bolts is different from notching & loose splines. other than price, label and branding there is not many differences worth noting. but for you example of this the Dana 80 with 35 spline shafts is a weakened design from the 37 spline dana 80 and in the same sence there are Dana 70HD guts in the Dana 80 35 spline


your annology of the D41 is entirely different, the axle shafts interchange, brakes interchange, spiders interchange, unfortunately the offset is different so carriers dont interchange between the D44 and 41 but with a 50 and a 44 for some reason dana sure spent alot of time using the same drawings and castings. drilling out carrier bolt holes is aprroved by dana and is in some mopar service proceedures, machining side gears notching housings etc is an entirely different argument. point is the D50 carrier and carrier guts have the same dimensions as D44 carriers and therefore the same breaking strength they share parts




The answer is NO....

I've had my hands in enough axles to know whats similiar, and what isn't...

So don't shit in my total, and try telling me it's raisin bran....


when torque is applied the weak links that are shared between these two will fail equally and in this case (carrier case) they share parts. you said they didnt and then crapped out a bunch of BS about machining a bunch of crap to fit other things. my point was drop in for drop in using std off the shelf parts and practice of drilling out bolt holes the two carriers are equal and born of the same basic parts bin and drawing there fore as many assholes say "basically there are d44 guts in there"
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The same type of people that would refer to an axle as "reverse rotation"
Why is it that an axle that was designed to drive with its pinion rotating ccw as opposed to cw like a standard low-pinion axle can't be referred to as a "reverse rotation"? Why is it in some people's minds that the only characteristic that can qualify an axle to be called "reverse rotation" is if the ring gear turns contrary to the norm based on input rotation?
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So can anyone answer the question what exact year did the dana 60 replace the dana 50 in the super duty's? was it a half year like the 7.3 to the 6.0 in 2003.5????
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Why is it that an axle that was designed to drive with its pinion rotating ccw as opposed to cw like a standard low-pinion axle can't be referred to as a "reverse rotation"? Why is it in some people's minds that the only characteristic that can qualify an axle to be called "reverse rotation" is if the ring gear turns contrary to the norm based on input rotation?

Then it would be a reverse rotation.. like the front end of a 2 1/2 ton GMC.. I believe the AMC 20's in hummers would be the same(but dont quote me on that)

normal high pinon axles everything still spins the same way...
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Why is it that an axle that was designed to drive with its pinion rotating ccw as opposed to cw like a standard low-pinion axle can't be referred to as a "reverse rotation"? Why is it in some people's minds that the only characteristic that can qualify an axle to be called "reverse rotation" is if the ring gear turns contrary to the norm based on input rotation?
Just like left hand threads people call "backwards" threads.
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i'm in kentucky and would love to drop that in the front of my e350.

if you are coming down south anytime soon i'd give you much for then a few cans of beer.


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So can anyone answer the question what exact year did the dana 60 replace the dana 50 in the super duty's? was it a half year like the 7.3 to the 6.0 in 2003.5????
The answer is No. It started somewhere in the early to mid 2002 model year, but that also seems to depend on whether Ford had a 50 lying around or a 60 ready to go. Also the Excursions kept the 50 to the end (2005). From everything I have seen/read by the late '02's and definitely by the '03 model years you should have a 60. My mid 2002 F350 has a 60 front. YMMV.

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