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Old 11-20-2011, 10:37 AM   #101 (permalink)
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PGE keeps it open as a courtesy.
How do you know that?
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:35 PM   #102 (permalink)
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How do you know that?
my reasoning behind the statement was if PGE wanted to and if they were threatened by a RWQCB order they could have pursued closing the old section due to continued unmitigated errossion and never worked with anyone on the new bypass. or if people started dumping large amounts of garbage all over that section of the trail and abandoning cars up there on their property my understanding is they reserve the right to petition to close the right of way through there if necessary.


now my information may be incorrect but that is the premis i have always operated under. respectfully acknowledging that it is their property that we are crossing through an established ROW and that if conditions or circumstances developed to the point where they needed to address the condition of the trail creating a hazard then there that would be a threat to our access.

If i am incorrect in my assumption please feel free to point it out
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And it has happened again. People PLEASE get the word out that this is unacceptable.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:08 PM   #104 (permalink)
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It might be a lot of work - but it looks human built. Which makes it more obvious.

A pile of debris looks like a pile of debris. People won't respect it as much. (obviously they don't in this case).

You can construct something similar to the range fencing we put up at the bottom of the Bowl on the Rubicon and remove it when the trail looks a little more wild.
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The range fence as the first line of defense would be very doable. The linear footage would not be that much. Guessing around 20-30 feet on the lower side and 15-20 feet on the upper. This and the 200 yards of “fawk that” trees criss-crossing the trail. Although with proper signage and a barrier at the “Y’s” it would seem that the people who genuinely want to stay on the trail would get it.

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Without question the blockades are being torn down and drive over by people who don’t give a crap. The trail has been VERY clearly marked and the signs are easily seen day OR night. I’m kinda at a loss as what to do short of using some steel to block it. So far anything that can be cut or winched out of the way is not working. Does anyone have any ideas that are saw and winch proof? I do get a chuckle thinking of all the “hardcore” wheelers on the trail pussing out by removing OBVIOUS roadblocks and taking the old, closed route. The new way is too hard…we had a broken rig….whaaaaaa. 's
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:46 PM   #106 (permalink)
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The new way is too hard…we had a broken rig….whaaaaaa. 's
For the record I got towed out over the weekend using the new route and it was no issue what-so-ever. Sure the stinger got ripped off but that was user error
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For the record I got towed out over the weekend using the new route and it was no issue what-so-ever. Sure the stinger got ripped off but that was user error
I think it needed more trianglation!
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I’m kinda at a loss as what to do short of using some steel to block it
I think somebody suggested that at some point? just saying.
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and after putting that thing back up what, 3x now? I vote for land mines. I've towed a rig with a blown motor up that. nobody died.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:22 AM   #111 (permalink)
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I'm with you Scott. Landmines! But seriously, an auger, some galvy bollards which I may be able to source for cheap through the wifes work and some sacks of concrete. Then just weld some c channel across the front of it.
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Yup, I was up there 10-5-12 and the "old road" was all torn up.

Not sure why someone wants to go through that? The new route is WAY better and more fun! I could just wheel from the lake to the river and back again and again... Fawkin Fags!
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I know this is an old thread, but it has come back to life because people are screwing up. Can someone clarify the "Old road" versus the "New road." I was up on the trail a couple weeks ago and we came out Committee. After the water crossing, there is a V crack straight ahead or a bypass to the left. We went left and then after a few obstacles you come to a Y. On the tree at the Y there is a small sign that says Fordyce Trail with an arrow pointing left. Is this the area that this thread is regarding? If a person was to drive to the right he would go over many downed trees that cover a dirt "Fire road."

Everyone in our group went left, but I want to make sure we did the right thing and that this is what everyone is talking about.

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Exactly. Going towards Fordyce Lake you want to go left at the Y.

There was a substantial amount of trees that were dropped in the old route about a month ago.... I walked it at Sierra Trek and it was 100% obvious that it was closed. Probably 5 12" rounds at the top, a number of trees at the bottom plus the added signage.

IMO someone out there is not happy with the new route and is going to keep ripping down any blockade we put up until there a number of "F*** that" size trees in the way
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It was obvious to me that the old route was closed,, but the new route is challenging and I bet many people are scared to do it. We had four rigs with us and only one had bigger tires than 35's and two were not locked front and rear. They had to do a little winching, but we got everyone through without any carnage. I have a CJ7 with 35's spooled 60 in the rear and a true track dana 30 in the front and didn't have any problems. I think people just need to learn how to drive. Less skinny pedal and more brain power. I hope Fordyce doesn't go the way of the con.
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There will probably always be "that guy", but I think lots of good signage will eliminate 75% of the problems with the reroute.

Pretty much all of the hard spots on the reroute are easily overcome with a winch.
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There are good signs top and bottom along with arrows that were made with super reflective writing that can be seen day or night

At this point there is no question where the trail is.
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When I was up last weekend I walked it to see how people were getting around the big dropped trees. Someone in my group was having issues making some of the easier sections coming up from the river (poke the bear), so I took the time to put back what logs I could lift by my self. Hopefully they are still there cuz this is getting old!
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There are good signs top and bottom along with arrows that were made with super reflective writing that can be seen day or night

At this point there is no question where the trail is.
I haven't been up committee for a year (last Oct)... I will however hopefully next weekend.

Even though I helped with the reroute, since I don't know the trail super well, I initially missed the left turn up the rock of the reroute last Oct.
The sign was on the tree, but it was so high/it was dusk, that I initially missed it. I realized it pretty quickly, only because I knew that as soon as I hit the dirt, it was the old trail.

Was more signage added since then?
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It was obvious to me that the old route was closed,, but the new route is challenging and I bet many people are scared to do it. We had four rigs with us and only one had bigger tires than 35's and two were not locked front and rear. They had to do a little winching, but we got everyone through without any carnage. I have a CJ7 with 35's spooled 60 in the rear and a true track dana 30 in the front and didn't have any problems. I think people just need to learn how to drive. Less skinny pedal and more brain power. I hope Fordyce doesn't go the way of the con.
last time i was out there i drove all the way up the new route with a front flat tire, the time before that my buddy did it in 3 wheel drive due to a broken front locking hub. its not that hard, people just need to learn how to drive a little better.
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I haven't been up committee for a year (last Oct)... I will however hopefully next weekend.

Even though I helped with the reroute, since I don't know the trail super well, I initially missed the left turn up the rock of the reroute last Oct.
The sign was on the tree, but it was so high/it was dusk, that I initially missed it. I realized it pretty quickly, only because I knew that as soon as I hit the dirt, it was the old trail.

Was more signage added since then?
i could be wrong, but im almost positive more signage was added since last october.
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More signs were added back in June, these are at the bottom but signs were added at the top also.
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I'd like to say that my group just did this last night. It was after 9pm and we were able to determine the new route. Sign is there and helped us stay left.



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I'd like to say that my group just did this last night. It was after 9pm and we were able to determine the new route. Sign is there and helped us stay left.



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Awesome....they are very reflective and easy to see at night.
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x2. Good job guys.
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