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Old 05-23-2011, 07:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Projected Water Release 2011

I'll post any new information I get as recieved. For now, I talked to PG&E a few days ago and was told Fordyce Lake was at 30k acre feet of water out of a possible 49K. The present flow rate should continue until the lake starts to spill. There is no way to estimate when that will happen. It'll depends on the weather. How much more rain and snow we get and how warm it gets how quickly.

I was told however that once the lake spills the flow will go up and because of the amount of snow, most likely stay high since there will be massive run off. It doesn't sound promising for moderate flows that will make crossing the river a safe proposition.

So we'll see how it goes and keep reminding everyone not to undertake unneccessary risks while enjoying the trail this year.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Phil do you remember the thaw of 94/95 from the meadow side.......

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Phil do you remember the thaw of 94/95 from the meadow side.......

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Hey BTW let your buddy know that 5.0 we picked up right before KOH for my buddy runs like a swiss watch has 2 injectors that hung up but what the heck thats an easy fix. he's real happy with the engine in his bronco buggy
Glad to hear it! That was a deal... Does he have any pics of the rig? I'd like to see it.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Its odd to me that they usually release basically zero all spring until it overflows and then jump way up to 400+ instead of letting some out the entire time and evening it out. Especially years like this when they know they've got way more than enough snow waiting to melt, and then they end up having big flows most of the summer.
This early summer the river is going to be huge once they open the valve AND all the additional snow is still melting. Trail is basically going to be unusable/unsafe for most for quite a while it seems like.


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I agree Erik! It would be nice if they thought of it like that. But I can also see why they do it. Their goal is a full lake.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't know what they are bound to, but the recent Upper American River Project relicensing gave a real eye into how many rules, regulations, and interested parties that the utilities have to please in order to run their lakes, outflows, and etc. It might take some research, but I'd bet that PG&E has pretty strict guidelines to meet...

Once these guidelines are identified, it might be possible to identify the process/timeline for making change... and then work that process.

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I don't think PG&E take recreation into consideration when deciding on release figures. Not to say the are anti-recreation it's just that their main concern is the most efficient generation of power and maximum use of water resources. I've talked to them about it and they understand there are multiple uses down river from the lake but can't tailor release to those concerns. We're probably Cal 4x4 has enough pull to get it turned down for Trek each year.
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Well they did bump it up the last couple years to 400 so they could do the work on the damn. the years before that it wasnt raised up that high. Just glad we havent heard anything about damn work this year. Might actually have a decent wheelable summer up there!

Anyone seen the washout on rattlesnake road on the way into the lake? the road passable or they going to be getting it opened back up?
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how fast is to fast? seems to me I've crossed anytime below 300 and driver beware over that but its been a minute or too since I even gave it some thought and may not be remembering too clearly.
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I've crossed at 350 one time trying to get back to fordyce lake at night, and my 42's were completely gone, water up to my nipples... Real Scary... Not worth it..
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Well they did bump it up the last couple years to 400 so they could do the work on the damn. the years before that it wasnt raised up that high. Just glad we havent heard anything about damn work this year. Might actually have a decent wheelable summer up there!

Anyone seen the washout on rattlesnake road on the way into the lake? the road passable or they going to be getting it opened back up?
I haven't heard anything about it being repaired but I'd be surprised if the road up to the lake is passable before several weeks (a month?) There must be a ton of snow up there.
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I've crossed at 350 one time trying to get back to fordyce lake at night, and my 42's were completely gone, water up to my nipples... Real Scary... Not worth it..
I've crossed at...well we won't go there. I won't do it again unless it's a dire emergency. I installed a snorkle into the cab just in case but I hope I never have to test it.

Let's just say that unless you know the lines and your rig's capability don't chance it. Unsure? Turn back. I stayed an extra night to wait for the thaw to slow during the night so I could cross safely.
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Well according to Dreamflows Fordyce release is up at about 345 cfs.


Won't be long before we can reach the water crossings so be careful!!
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And that's measured near the dam. I'm sure its far higher down river with all the melting going on...
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I've talked to them about it and they understand there are multiple uses down river from the lake but can't tailor release to those concerns. We're probably Cal 4x4 has enough pull to get it turned down for Trek each year.
The "pull" CA4WDC has is they $pay$ to have the flow reduced. The story I have heard is PG&E reduced the flow at no charge for many years until PG&E realized they could get some money from CA4WDC. Not saying that is good or bad thing.
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WOW!

575!
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Ripping!! the waterfall camp spot must be quite the site, if it's not under water
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The "pull" CA4WDC has is they $pay$ to have the flow reduced. The story I have heard is PG&E reduced the flow at no charge for many years until PG&E realized they could get some money from CA4WDC. Not saying that is good or bad thing.
Cool story, but that's mythology.

CA4WDC's 'pull' comes from doing the work to reclaim the old mining road from where it lay abandoned and nearly forgotten. Cal4 worked with public and private property owners to permit passage, and synched with the dam-keepers to reduce flows for the event, but as far as I know, no money changed hands for the latter. I can tell you for certain that it ain't in my event budget!

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Wait...what!?

750!!

I didn't even know it could go that high. I would sure like to see some of the spots along the trail at those numbers. It must be spectacular.
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Went out on Snowmobiles yesterday from Jackson Meadows rd, Snow line to Webber lake turn-off. Looks like mid winter out there... we brought skis and boards and took 3 runs each. Gonna be a while...My crawler is getting bored out in Prosser.
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Over 900cfs. Now that's a heavy flow day.
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