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Old 01-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My custom racelines are wrong?

Last year i asked raceline if they couild make me some 18" beadlocks with a deep 6" of backspacing. Raceline makes a great product and they ageed to make me a set of 5. They warned me that these wheels would be a little tricky to mount but assured me they can be mounted. Well we cant mount them. The guys building my truck said they could not get them mounted. So i took them to a the best tire shop around and he laughed at me. After 2 tire savy people told me it couldn't be done i called raceline and told them we were having a hard time with the wheels. Raceline reassured me and told me that the wheels would work but it would be a little work. This eve my dad came over and brought his tire irons. He has mounted almost everything but we can not get this 18" tire on this special wheel. if i stretch this tire anymore it will tear.

The problem is that a beadlock tire can only be pushed on the wheel from one side. In order to give us all the backspacing we asked for racelinemade these wheels with the mouinting "dip" on the opposite side of the wheel. As such, it just dont go. See the pics.

Am i doing something wrong? I have already called raceline twice and they say it will work. im having my doubts
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from what I understand, the "dip" is there to give space mounting a tire - so your picture #3 is wrong.

course the reversed wheels I've seen have very little backspacing. Like the 2" BS wheels I have, which I have to mount from the back not the face because of the "dip"
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The inner bead needs to be in the dip when you are mounting them. Looks like you aren't pushing it down enough. You don't need tire irons to put the tire on.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What tire you putting on ? Looks like it's almost there
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Mount the tire from the back side then pull the outer edge over the beadlock lip. It can be done, but is a PITA. I've had to do it with reverse drop, 2" bs steel wheels.
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The inner bead needs to be in the dip when you are mounting them. Looks like you aren't pushing it down enough. You don't need tire irons to put the tire on.
Sounds good but this wheel is 9" wide and the the tire can't be pushed that far over. The dip needs to be closer to the side we are mounting. This is the design flaw in the wheel
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Put it on from the back. You won't tear the tire.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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It looks just like a reverse drop center wheel.

I did some beadlocks on some 15s with 2" backspace, they went, but it was a fucking nightmare. I've mounted them bacside too, but really its not that much easier.

That pick you posted makes it look like it should go no problem though..?
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Mount the tire from the back side then pull the outer edge over the beadlock lip. It can be done, but is a PITA. I've had to do it with reverse drop, 2" bs steel wheels.
I guess that's the only way. Sighhh
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The inner bead needs to be in the dip when you are mounting them. Looks like you aren't pushing it down enough. You don't need tire irons to put the tire on.
It looks like he cant get the inner bead of the tire over the front of the wheel. It does look like its almost there though.

Im no pro tire and wheel man, but i dont understand why it matters what the backspacing is, other than the "dip" may be closer to the front of the wheel. It seems that if the "dip" is closer to the front of the wheel, it may be difficult to smash the tire down to get it over the lip and get the ring on. Maybe theres something i just dont know about, ive only mounted a few set of beadlocks.
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The tire has a long way to go. It is not going that way. No way. Not without a sawzall

Backside it is. Dad is at home resting his back. Tom night we will try again from the back.
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It looks like he cant get the inner bead of the tire over the front of the wheel. It does look like its almost there though.

Im no pro tire and wheel man, but i dont understand why it matters what the backspacing is, other than the "dip" may be closer to the front of the wheel. It seems that if the "dip" is closer to the front of the wheel, it may be difficult to smash the tire down to get it over the lip and get the ring on. Maybe theres something i just dont know about, ive only mounted a few set of beadlocks.
The dip is what allows the tire to be mounted. Because it is a beadlock only half of the tire gets mounted. Unfortunately because of the custom backspacing request the tire mounts from the opposite side of the wheel than the beadlock and then needs to be dismounted onto the beadlock flange. More work, but such is the world of custom parts.
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The tire has a long way to go. It is not going that way. No way. Not without a sawzall

Backside it is. Dad is at home resting his back. Tom night we will try again from the back.
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I think you should use the spoons on the lip that is on the inside of the tire instead of the outside.

i.e.----pry from the middle of the tire.

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Oh yea.

Ok dad is manning up now. He's coming back out the house and we are going to try again tonite! I'll tell ya how it goes.
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Skeet a shit load of dish soap with no water onto everthing.
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Sounds good but this wheel is 9" wide and the the tire can't be pushed that far over. The dip needs to be closer to the side we are mounting. This is the design flaw in the wheel
Yeah, not a design flaw...

It's a REVERSED WHEEL. mount the tire from the backside, then use lots of lube pop the outer bead to the beadlock (outside of the wheel).
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dont use soap, use bleach. it will make it very slippery. and ya, you need to mount it from the other side. you always mount the tire from the side closest to the drop center.

in all honesty there really is no reason to bead lock the outside of that wheel because the outside of that wheel is the large safety bead side of the tire. to push the outer bead off of a reverse drop wheel youd literally need to push that bead 6" in before it would burp air. the inner bead is the bead that will come off long before the outer bead on that particular wheel because of the short distance the bead needs to move inward before it loses contact with the wheel drum.

the reason we all beadlock the outside of a normal rim is because it is like the inside on your wheel.
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im willing to bet you never get the tire over the beadlock part without destroying the bead of the tire.

only option may be to chuck up the whole wheel in a lathe and turn down the beadlock lip until the tire will just slip over. probably .250" all the way around.
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im willing to bet you never get the tire over the beadlock part without destroying the bead of the tire.

only option may be to chuck up the whole wheel in a lathe and turn down the beadlock lip until the tire will just slip over. probably .250" all the way around.
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IT CANT BE DONE. maybe on a smaller wheel. We couldnt get the tire over any farther than this and I hope the bead on this tire still functions. tore the wheel up too. took a lot of force to get the lip over as much as seen in the pic.

Im callin raceline tomorow. I hope they take these back and make me a new set.
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dont use soap, use bleach. it will make it very slippery. and ya, you need to mount it from the other side. you always mount the tire from the side closest to the drop center.

in all honesty there really is no reason to bead lock the outside of that wheel because the outside of that wheel is the large safety bead side of the tire. to push the outer bead off of a reverse drop wheel youd literally need to push that bead 6" in before it would burp air. the inner bead is the bead that will come off long before the outer bead on that particular wheel because of the short distance the bead needs to move inward before it loses contact with the wheel drum.

the reason we all beadlock the outside of a normal rim is because it is like the inside on your wheel.
The beadlock can buy time to get to a pit in a race by keeping the tire on the wheel
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The beadlock can buy time to get to a pit in a race by keeping the tire on the wheel
i think he meant my particular wheel
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that sucks. maybe I should have read it all to not make a redundant post.....


so you're in a f-ct spot if you can't get a flipped set or your money back. radials tires will rarely deal with a reverse mount without failure... ask me how I know Bias ply... giv'er hell (never seen a bias 18 tho).

if you're commited to these and will make a compromise.... you can turn down the beadlock lip a little and give yourself the clearance you need. want to do it yourself quick w/ out a big lathe? put each one on your rig on jack stands and let the motor spin it slow while you use a 40grit flap disk. wear a Summit or Jegs hat and drink bud heavy

you'll be trading a little bit of beadlock security for a safe mounting but all a beadlock needs to be is an ultra glorified safety bead. hope that helps
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