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White Goat · 06-11-2003, 08:45 PM

Im building a buggy and trying to decide if it is worth the extra weight and money for rear steer. I've never used it before but i can see how it would help in some situations. I don't really want a toy front and a 44 rear. And no I am keeping the toy front.

Dirty Harry · 06-11-2003, 08:49 PM

Are you building it for competition or just the trail? Shaffer and Lance won the whole deal last year with line locks and a twin stick, rear steer is over rated.

White Goat · 06-11-2003, 08:52 PM

just trail. I just rememberd Tiny doesen't have rear steer and that thing is awsome.

Wilson · 06-11-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Dirty Harry
Are you building it for competition or just the trail? Shaffer and Lance won the whole deal last year with line locks and a twin stick, rear steer is over rated.

Twin stick ehh? Can't say as I've ever seen one on a sami case

I remeber Mike saying his number one item on the list for his new buggy (not built at the time) was an atlas II

ARB's and cutting brakes

Wilson · 06-11-2003, 09:17 PM

I wouldn't for trail use only. Regular steering should be fine. If you want a bit more of an edge run a toy/D300 setup and twin stick it.....shorter than a toy doubler too

Air Ride · 06-11-2003, 09:25 PM

a steering 44 wont cut in the rear ether. I have seen rear steer hurt just as many times as i've seen it help.

TRD · 06-11-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Wilson
I wouldn't for trail use only. Regular steering should be fine. If you want a bit more of an edge run a toy/D300 setup and twin stick it.....shorter than a toy doubler too

and not as low geared for as cheap either

TNToy · 06-11-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Air Ride
a steering 44 wont cut in the rear ether.

What he said. If you're not willing to pay for a 60 for the rear end, you might as well stop planning this right now.

Wilson · 06-11-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by TRD

and not as low geared for as cheap either

The adapter is more ( I paid $560 for mine), but a D300 is 2.62, so it would be lower than a toy/toy setup. In my setup, with 2 stock cases, I'll be 217:1. You could also always buy gears for the toyota reduction box and leave the D300 stock.

camo · 06-11-2003, 10:42 PM

rear steer is definatly cool. but unless you do it right it is just more stuff to fail

TRD · 06-11-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by Wilson

The adapter is more ( I paid $560 for mine), but a D300 is 2.62, so it would be lower than a toy/toy setup. In my setup, with 2 stock cases, I'll be 217:1. You could also always buy gears for the toyota reduction box and leave the D300 stock.

sorry, i was assuming toy/toy (4.7) but then it would be more $$ than i was originally thinking, but still a little cheaper than toy/d300 (right???)

Wilson · 06-11-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by TRD

sorry, i was assuming toy/toy (4.7) but then it would be more $$ than i was originally thinking, but still a little cheaper than toy/d300 (right???)

Just the difference in adapter prices (not too much if you go with Marlin) and I suppose it would depend on what you can find a D300 for, compared to a toy case. As far as benefits......twinstick, the adapter has a built in clocking ring and the option for a F/R 32 spl upgrade. Jesse sells flanges to run toy ujoints...still need to verify if a toy CV will fit.

- and an Atlas will bolt up to the adapter as well.

JR · 06-11-2003, 11:32 PM

Rear steer adds a hole dimension opening up all kinds of possibilities to wheeling. Trying to master front and rear steer simultaneously while negotiating trouble, is really a kick. You'll try stuff you wouldn't have dreamed of before rear steer. The first thing people do when they drive my car is go for the rear steer, with a grin

IMO, street driven rigs and anything less than a HD 60 in the rear need not apply.

White Goat · 06-12-2003, 06:47 AM

BTW this will be a ~ 2000# rig.

Mustard Dog · 06-12-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by JR
The first thing people do when they drive my car is go for the rear steer, with a grin

I'm guilty

JOHNS351C · 06-12-2003, 07:43 AM

I wouldn't say you need it but it is a whole lot more fun.
You go trail riding to have fun so I would want it on a trail rig. I just put it on my rig and It is truly a blast, It is a bit of a challenge to operate the front and rear at the same time but it adds to the excitement. I am very happy I went with it. I would sugest finding someone who has it and try it out, then decide for yourself.

John

Lazarus401 · 06-12-2003, 07:49 AM

What Class would someone with rear steer compete in?

I know NewB question.. Go ahead and flame away.

Dan Dibble · 06-12-2003, 08:58 AM

Rear steer is cool when you are side hilling and slide into a rock or tree. You can turn both axles up hill and drive away instead of driving it further into the obstical (try doing that with a twin stick and cutting brakes)

Oh ya, DONUTS are cooler with rear steer

Dan

Big Rich · 06-12-2003, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Lazarus401
What Class would someone with rear steer compete in?

I know NewB question.. Go ahead and flame away.

Super Modified/unlimited...

Rich

CJ Lagos · 06-12-2003, 10:52 AM

Rear steer is awesome. If your drivetrain has the balls for it, DO IT. It is amazing how well you can move the rig around by using the rear tires.

Using the rear steer was A LOT harder than I thought it was going to be. It has taken me some time just to be able to use it without having to stop each time for adjustments. Going up hard obstacles with it makes me nervous, it is so easy to get really out of whack fast. Without a doubt, it adds a whole new level of enjoyment to regular old trail riding. Especially on tight trails.

I highly recommned a rear lockout for street driving.

06-11-2003, 08:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
White Goat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12486 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 748	how important is rear steer Im building a buggy and trying to decide if it is worth the extra weight and money for rear steer. I've never used it before but i can see how it would help in some situations. I don't really want a toy front and a 44 rear. And no I am keeping the toy front.

06-11-2003, 08:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dirty Harry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Member # 2242 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,536	Are you building it for competition or just the trail? Shaffer and Lance won the whole deal last year with line locks and a twin stick, rear steer is over rated. __________________ Harry Situations Harry Wagner Freelance 4WD Writing & Photography Vehicle Features, Tech, & Trail Reports

06-11-2003, 09:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Wilson Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 7233 Location: Paradise, CA Posts: 17,080	I wouldn't for trail use only. Regular steering should be fine. If you want a bit more of an edge run a toy/D300 setup and twin stick it.....shorter than a toy doubler too __________________ [COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]ECV 7-11[/SIZE][/COLOR] Serving up a Tsunami of Swagger

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Air Ride Tech Editor Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1656 Location: Santa Margarita, north of bender land Posts: 3,549	a steering 44 wont cut in the rear ether. I have seen rear steer hurt just as many times as i've seen it help. __________________ HENDRIX MOTORSPORTS.COM Threaded Panel Tab Sale tinbenders.org camo is my hero, even if he is gay DirtChoppers.net

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JOHNS351C Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8282 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,125	I wouldn't say you need it but it is a whole lot more fun. You go trail riding to have fun so I would want it on a trail rig. I just put it on my rig and It is truly a blast, It is a bit of a challenge to operate the front and rear at the same time but it adds to the excitement. I am very happy I went with it. I would sugest finding someone who has it and try it out, then decide for yourself. John __________________ [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]Stazworks[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B]The leader in Custom Double Beadlock wheels[/B] On SALE NOW [COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="2"][I]20x14's[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] Due to NEW tooling we can now build std. 1pc 20x14's, and up to a 20x25's without banding! [COLOR=DarkOrange]www.STAZWORKS.com[/COLOR] (715) 333-RIMS,(7467) shop number (715) 333-7250 office John Staszak-owner

06-11-2003, 08:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
White Goat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12486 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 748	just trail. I just rememberd Tiny doesen't have rear steer and that thing is awsome.

06-11-2003, 10:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,057 Blog Entries: 1	rear steer is definatly cool. but unless you do it right it is just more stuff to fail

06-11-2003, 11:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
JR Hornblower Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8524 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 4,391	Rear steer adds a hole dimension opening up all kinds of possibilities to wheeling. Trying to master front and rear steer simultaneously while negotiating trouble, is really a kick. You'll try stuff you wouldn't have dreamed of before rear steer. The first thing people do when they drive my car is go for the rear steer, with a grin IMO, street driven rigs and anything less than a HD 60 in the rear need not apply.

06-12-2003, 06:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
White Goat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12486 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 748	BTW this will be a ~ 2000# rig.

06-12-2003, 07:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
Lazarus401 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16465 Location: Stansbury Park, Utah Posts: 132	What Class would someone with rear steer compete in? I know NewB question.. Go ahead and flame away. __________________ Dave L (Lazarus401)

06-12-2003, 08:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
Dan Dibble Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12695 Location: Collierville, TN Posts: 4,159	Rear steer is cool when you are side hilling and slide into a rock or tree. You can turn both axles up hill and drive away instead of driving it further into the obstical (try doing that with a twin stick and cutting brakes) Oh ya, DONUTS are cooler with rear steer Dan __________________ "We live in the Land of the Free because of the brave." Please remember our Troops!

06-12-2003, 10:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
CJ Lagos Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: May 2000 Member # 845 Location: VA Posts: 2,639	Rear steer is awesome. If your drivetrain has the balls for it, DO IT. It is amazing how well you can move the rig around by using the rear tires. Using the rear steer was A LOT harder than I thought it was going to be. It has taken me some time just to be able to use it without having to stop each time for adjustments. Going up hard obstacles with it makes me nervous, it is so easy to get really out of whack fast. Without a doubt, it adds a whole new level of enjoyment to regular old trail riding. Especially on tight trails. I highly recommned a rear lockout for street driving. Last edited by CJ Lagos; 06-12-2003 at 10:53 AM.

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