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Old 06-11-2003, 08:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how important is rear steer

Im building a buggy and trying to decide if it is worth the extra weight and money for rear steer. I've never used it before but i can see how it would help in some situations. I don't really want a toy front and a 44 rear. And no I am keeping the toy front.
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Old 06-11-2003, 08:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you building it for competition or just the trail? Shaffer and Lance won the whole deal last year with line locks and a twin stick, rear steer is over rated.
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Old 06-11-2003, 08:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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just trail. I just rememberd Tiny doesen't have rear steer and that thing is awsome.
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Are you building it for competition or just the trail? Shaffer and Lance won the whole deal last year with line locks and a twin stick, rear steer is over rated.
Twin stick ehh? Can't say as I've ever seen one on a sami case I remeber Mike saying his number one item on the list for his new buggy (not built at the time) was an atlas II

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I wouldn't for trail use only. Regular steering should be fine. If you want a bit more of an edge run a toy/D300 setup and twin stick it.....shorter than a toy doubler too
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a steering 44 wont cut in the rear ether. I have seen rear steer hurt just as many times as i've seen it help.
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I wouldn't for trail use only. Regular steering should be fine. If you want a bit more of an edge run a toy/D300 setup and twin stick it.....shorter than a toy doubler too
and not as low geared for as cheap either
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a steering 44 wont cut in the rear ether.
What he said. If you're not willing to pay for a 60 for the rear end, you might as well stop planning this right now.
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and not as low geared for as cheap either
The adapter is more ( I paid $560 for mine), but a D300 is 2.62, so it would be lower than a toy/toy setup. In my setup, with 2 stock cases, I'll be 217:1. You could also always buy gears for the toyota reduction box and leave the D300 stock.
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rear steer is definatly cool. but unless you do it right it is just more stuff to fail
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The adapter is more ( I paid $560 for mine), but a D300 is 2.62, so it would be lower than a toy/toy setup. In my setup, with 2 stock cases, I'll be 217:1. You could also always buy gears for the toyota reduction box and leave the D300 stock.
sorry, i was assuming toy/toy (4.7) but then it would be more $$ than i was originally thinking, but still a little cheaper than toy/d300 (right???)
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sorry, i was assuming toy/toy (4.7) but then it would be more $$ than i was originally thinking, but still a little cheaper than toy/d300 (right???)
Just the difference in adapter prices (not too much if you go with Marlin) and I suppose it would depend on what you can find a D300 for, compared to a toy case. As far as benefits......twinstick, the adapter has a built in clocking ring and the option for a F/R 32 spl upgrade. Jesse sells flanges to run toy ujoints...still need to verify if a toy CV will fit.

- and an Atlas will bolt up to the adapter as well.
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Rear steer adds a hole dimension opening up all kinds of possibilities to wheeling. Trying to master front and rear steer simultaneously while negotiating trouble, is really a kick. You'll try stuff you wouldn't have dreamed of before rear steer. The first thing people do when they drive my car is go for the rear steer, with a grin
IMO, street driven rigs and anything less than a HD 60 in the rear need not apply.
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BTW this will be a ~ 2000# rig.
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The first thing people do when they drive my car is go for the rear steer, with a grin
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I wouldn't say you need it but it is a whole lot more fun.
You go trail riding to have fun so I would want it on a trail rig. I just put it on my rig and It is truly a blast, It is a bit of a challenge to operate the front and rear at the same time but it adds to the excitement. I am very happy I went with it. I would sugest finding someone who has it and try it out, then decide for yourself.

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What Class would someone with rear steer compete in?

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Rear steer is cool when you are side hilling and slide into a rock or tree. You can turn both axles up hill and drive away instead of driving it further into the obstical (try doing that with a twin stick and cutting brakes)

Oh ya, DONUTS are cooler with rear steer

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What Class would someone with rear steer compete in?

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Old 06-12-2003, 10:52 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Rear steer is awesome. If your drivetrain has the balls for it, DO IT. It is amazing how well you can move the rig around by using the rear tires.

Using the rear steer was A LOT harder than I thought it was going to be. It has taken me some time just to be able to use it without having to stop each time for adjustments. Going up hard obstacles with it makes me nervous, it is so easy to get really out of whack fast. Without a doubt, it adds a whole new level of enjoyment to regular old trail riding. Especially on tight trails.

I highly recommned a rear lockout for street driving.


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