Craaaaazy leaf spring pad... what U think - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Chief yelling alot · 05-22-2002, 12:13 AM

good, bad, no point, not worth the truble,

what

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...4860FXdgiSeViv

bwahahaha "Dana 14 bolt"

TEAM X-TREME · 05-22-2002, 12:29 AM

Shadetree is what i was thinking. ( mixed feelings).

emsoffroad · 05-22-2002, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot

bwahahaha "Dana 14 bolt"

New style 14 bolt, semi Float

Erik D_lux · 05-22-2002, 03:00 AM

that style has actually been around for awhile. It has been discussed in the toyota board too if you want to do a search. I think it is a bad idea. I wouldnt wast 2 min on it myself.

SSGTWC · 05-22-2002, 04:41 AM

Dana 14 bolt?

But the pads to me seem like a bad idea, IMHO

just my .02

patooyee · 05-22-2002, 06:24 AM

I think that they're a good idea if they stay together. BC Broncos makes some hinged pads for old Broncos that don't look like they would work as well as that pic. Why does everyone think that these are a bad idea? Isn't everything most of us do pretty shade-tree?

J. J.

reddwarf · 05-22-2002, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by patooyee
Isn't everything most of us do pretty shade-tree?

LOL

Dead Sled · 05-22-2002, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by Daniel
Hey cheif right click on the picture go down to properties copy paste the address into the IMG button and there it is... no red star needed... I posted as many before I paid as I did after ... just to let you know... that is until someone deletes your pic to be funny

That is so the axle can flex without bind... kinda shadetree

you let my secret out!

Cliffy [JD] · 05-22-2002, 07:19 AM

None of those pics are coming up for me, so I'm gonna try one.

BTW I don't see any thing wrong with the "swivel saddle" as he calls it. But that's without knowing his skill level or material used.

Brandon · 05-22-2002, 08:06 AM

I'd say put a bigger bolt in there otherwise why not..

Grandpa Jeep · 05-22-2002, 08:48 AM

I would be worryed about locating the axle laterally. Seems like with the pivot the leaf spring would be more prone to roll over if a lateral load is placed on the axle. A panhard bar would solve the problem, but I'm not sure I'd trust it without one. What do the rest of you think?

ROCKILLER · 05-22-2002, 08:53 AM

axle wrap city. That setup looks lie it oughta flex pretty good if the shachles are at the right angle but I'd want a single t-bar at the minimum.

broncorob · 05-22-2002, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Cliffhanger
None of those pics are coming up for me, so I'm gonna try one.

BTW I don't see any thing wrong with the "swivel saddle" as he calls it. But that's without knowing his skill level or material used.

What the hell is that coming down from the frame to the top of the leaf pad. Don't even tell me it's what I think it is.
This guy must be from Tennessee. Sorry TN guys

Grandpa Jeep · 05-22-2002, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by broncorob

What the hell is that coming down from the frame to the top of the leaf pad. Don't even tell me it's what I think it is.
This guy must be from Tennessee. Sorry TN guys

I think that's his panhard bar. I looked at the pictures, and there's an identical setup on the front. Looks pretty puny to me.
Also, looking at his flex pictures, it looks like the front out flexes the rear even though the front has regular spring pads. Doesn't look like its too effective.

BadDog · 05-22-2002, 09:28 AM

What is that welded to the axle tube just to the left of the diff? Looks like some sort of traction bar (or attempt at a locating link?) running up to the frame rail. That thing going to the top of the pad is bizare. Doesn't look like it would hold much without collapsing. Also, did you notice that the pivot bolt is welded in? I guess it's "non-serviceable".

BadDog · 05-22-2002, 09:33 AM

Check this out...

Looks like this guy has a "thing" for unbraced strap and plate.

Look at that spring mount. Looks like it's buckling!

Edit: For some reason this is IMG tag pic not working for me. Here is the link if it doesn't work for you.
http://community.webshots.com/storag...UCocnoJ_ph.jpg

Grim Reaper · 05-22-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep
I would be worryed about locating the axle laterally. Seems like with the pivot the leaf spring would be more prone to roll over if a lateral load is placed on the axle. A panhard bar would solve the problem, but I'm not sure I'd trust it without one. What do the rest of you think?

I was going to make the same comment. The spring provides locataing for the axle sided to side. With the piviot it would alow the springs to roatate and the axle to shift side to side. Looks like he has some control arms but not at a enough angle to get rid of all side to side shift especialy when you factor in bushings in the ends. That has got to be one scary bitch to drive at speed in a sweeper turn where you would get some lateral force on the axle. Probaly rocks off road though.

inphobic · 05-22-2002, 10:15 AM

I've got the bc bronco pivots. It really freed up some more flex in mine. I don't drive it everyday but I do drive it on the highway and I don't notice any difference in driving characteristics. I relocated my shocks at the same time to an inboard set-up and run the shocks stiffer to compensate for the angle they are now at. Still it feels fine on the highway. (As well as one can with sx's anyway.)

I don't know about the lateral support either with how tall the sping mounts are on the axle. If they were shorter I think I would feel better about it. I'm assuming he did it to run a flatter leaf?

mytzlflick · 05-22-2002, 02:27 PM

I have thought of this kind of setup to unbind the springs, I didn't because it would require some linkage to controll it side to side as part of the spring binding laterally is what locates the axle side to side.
also looks too tall and lightweight for my tastes, i tend to overbuild things a lot, easier than fixing them on the trail.

patooyee · 05-22-2002, 07:57 PM

So basically, after more thought, what I am hearing and agree with is that it is a good idea with shitty fab work. Sounds like someone who knows what they are doing should try it.

J. J.

05-22-2002, 12:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	Craaaaazy leaf spring pad... what U think good, bad, no point, not worth the truble, what http://community.webshots.com/photo/...4860FXdgiSeViv bwahahaha "Dana 14 bolt" __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

05-22-2002, 12:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
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05-22-2002, 03:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Erik D_lux Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 1007 Location: SLC, Utah Posts: 5,355	that style has actually been around for awhile. It has been discussed in the toyota board too if you want to do a search. I think it is a bad idea. I wouldnt wast 2 min on it myself. __________________ [B][COLOR="Gray"][SIZE="4"][url]www.DLUXfab.com[/url][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/B]

05-22-2002, 04:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
SSGTWC Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10775 Location: Wamego, KS Posts: 822	Dana 14 bolt? But the pads to me seem like a bad idea, IMHO just my .02 __________________ [QUOTE=CAMO;4] [B] build what ya can with what you have and plan on redoing it a few dozen times as you learn the required skills [/B][/QUOTE] Never, underestimate the amount of stupidity in people!

05-22-2002, 06:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
patooyee www.patparts.com Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4821 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 8,684	I think that they're a good idea if they stay together. BC Broncos makes some hinged pads for old Broncos that don't look like they would work as well as that pic. Why does everyone think that these are a bad idea? Isn't everything most of us do pretty shade-tree? J. J. __________________ www.PATPARTS.com NEW Dual PS Pump bracket for LS Engines! - New LS Engine Head Mount Plates

05-22-2002, 07:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cliffy [JD] Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 14 Location: Brighton, CO Posts: 3,099	None of those pics are coming up for me, so I'm gonna try one. BTW I don't see any thing wrong with the "swivel saddle" as he calls it. But that's without knowing his skill level or material used. Attached Images

05-22-2002, 08:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
Brandon Registered User Join Date: Mar 1975 Member # 6 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 13,666	I'd say put a bigger bolt in there otherwise why not.. __________________ This Space for rent!

05-22-2002, 08:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
Grandpa Jeep Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1868 Location: Peyton, CO Posts: 1,676	I would be worryed about locating the axle laterally. Seems like with the pivot the leaf spring would be more prone to roll over if a lateral load is placed on the axle. A panhard bar would solve the problem, but I'm not sure I'd trust it without one. What do the rest of you think? __________________ '50 CJ-3A, SVO Turbo 2.3L, T-98, D18, Warn OD, PTO Winch, D30, FFD44, lockrites in both Jeeps, they're not just a hobby, they're a freakin adventure :D :usa:

05-22-2002, 08:53 AM	#12 (permalink)
ROCKILLER Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3273 Location: Shasta County, CA Posts: 2,215	axle wrap city. That setup looks lie it oughta flex pretty good if the shachles are at the right angle but I'd want a single t-bar at the minimum. __________________ [QUOTE=Alfred W.;10665950]When a man has the scent of pussy in his nose...... The best advice in the world bounces off the block formerly know as his head. :grinpimp:[/QUOTE]

05-22-2002, 09:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
BadDog Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8211 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,253	What is that welded to the axle tube just to the left of the diff? Looks like some sort of traction bar (or attempt at a locating link?) running up to the frame rail. That thing going to the top of the pad is bizare. Doesn't look like it would hold much without collapsing. Also, did you notice that the pivot bolt is welded in? I guess it's "non-serviceable". __________________ Russ 85 K30 truggy, 350 TBI, TH350, 203/205, D60/C14, 4.56 Locked, 42" TSLs, 4" lift, 112" wheel base, front leafs, rear double triangulated 4 link with coils.

05-22-2002, 09:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
BadDog Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8211 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,253	Check this out... Looks like this guy has a "thing" for unbraced strap and plate. Look at that spring mount. Looks like it's buckling! Edit: For some reason this is IMG tag pic not working for me. Here is the link if it doesn't work for you. http://community.webshots.com/storag...UCocnoJ_ph.jpg __________________ Russ 85 K30 truggy, 350 TBI, TH350, 203/205, D60/C14, 4.56 Locked, 42" TSLs, 4" lift, 112" wheel base, front leafs, rear double triangulated 4 link with coils. Last edited by BadDog; 05-22-2002 at 09:43 AM.

05-22-2002, 10:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
inphobic Rock God Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8422 Location: Kansas City, Kansas Posts: 2,192	I've got the bc bronco pivots. It really freed up some more flex in mine. I don't drive it everyday but I do drive it on the highway and I don't notice any difference in driving characteristics. I relocated my shocks at the same time to an inboard set-up and run the shocks stiffer to compensate for the angle they are now at. Still it feels fine on the highway. (As well as one can with sx's anyway.) I don't know about the lateral support either with how tall the sping mounts are on the axle. If they were shorter I think I would feel better about it. I'm assuming he did it to run a flatter leaf? __________________ Jake Good Special Thanks to: COOPER TIRES, Trail Tough, Inland Truck Parts, Kansas Rocks, The Awesome RBR Crew! Last edited by inphobic; 05-22-2002 at 10:18 AM.

05-22-2002, 02:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
mytzlflick Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 800 Location: petawawa ontario Posts: 1,088	I have thought of this kind of setup to unbind the springs, I didn't because it would require some linkage to controll it side to side as part of the spring binding laterally is what locates the axle side to side. also looks too tall and lightweight for my tastes, i tend to overbuild things a lot, easier than fixing them on the trail. __________________ my dodge sucked, I went superduty

05-22-2002, 07:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
patooyee www.patparts.com Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4821 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 8,684	So basically, after more thought, what I am hearing and agree with is that it is a good idea with shitty fab work. Sounds like someone who knows what they are doing should try it. J. J. __________________ www.PATPARTS.com NEW Dual PS Pump bracket for LS Engines! - New LS Engine Head Mount Plates

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