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Old 05-28-2007, 10:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Welding a 14 bolt 2 different ways?

Going to be welding up my 14B and have run into two different ways to do it. The first is to weld the all the spider and side gears together. The second is to fill weld the valleys of the spiders and then reassemble.
Which have you used and which do you think is stronger?
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Here it is with the valleys welded.
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Here it is welded all together.
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Also, how straight would it stay if you took the spiders out along with the side gears and welded them outside the carrier. I know doing this on a toy
3rd can be disasterous. How did you guys do it?
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Make a "gear ball" (opt 2).
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If you don't weld it all together there is a chance for movement, wear, slop and more chance of failure IMO.
x 2 "Gear ball"
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:51 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Make a "gear ball" (opt 2).


Can any one find that pic from the welded rockwell?
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Do not fill the valleys.. Eventually it will fail. It was a good idea, but the weld metal can't handle the job and eventually will allow slop, movement, and eventually some funny acting differential action. Weld it all together and create the "orb of traction". Tack it while in one half of the carrier then just pull it out and get to work.
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Can any one find that pic from the welded rockwell?
Ive been loking for it for 2 hours now im pissed cus I still cant find it
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found ithttp://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attac...1&d=1180376807
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YES!!!
do it like this.
this is how i did my 14 bolt when i welded it up.

i tacked everything in one half of the carrier, then flipped it to the other side tacked it good, and welded the shit out of it.

i didnt just weld where the gears touch one another, but i filled in all of the voids in between them... "Orb Of Traction" style
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YES!!!
do it like this.
this is how i did my 14 bolt when i welded it up.

i tacked everything in one half of the carrier, then flipped it to the other side tacked it good, and welded the shit out of it.

i didnt just weld where the gears touch one another, but i filled in all of the voids in between them... "Orb Of Traction" style
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Here is rockwell spiders welded up.






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This is the way I did mine also.I haven't finished the axle yet.But I have no worries about it holding up.It is the same as a mini spool this way with no moving parts to wear and give out.
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Do not fill the valleys.. Eventually it will fail. It was a good idea, but the weld metal can't handle the job and eventually will allow slop, movement, and eventually some funny acting differential action. Weld it all together and create the "orb of traction". Tack it while in one half of the carrier then just pull it out and get to work.
When you were finish welding it, it didn't warp and prevent it from properly seating back in the carrier. I've welded other diffs and had problems getting the shaft back in because of warpage of the side gears in relation with the spiders. I guess I will just go slow and do opposing sides.
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Weld then cover it up with some leather or something to keep it from cooling fast. I welded mine up like that rockwell spool (except alot less weld) then I assembled the carrier then welded all 8 holes up in the carrier. Slow cooling too, its heat treated.
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Weld then cover it up with some leather or something to keep it from cooling fast. I welded mine up like that rockwell spool (except alot less weld) then I assembled the carrier then welded all 8 holes up in the carrier. Slow cooling too, its heat treated.
So after you welded the spider and side gears, making the ball. You then put the "ball" between the two sides and welded them together. Why?
Wouldn't the little spool be enough or am I missing something?
Just curious.
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So after you welded the spider and side gears, making the ball. You then put the "ball" between the two sides and welded them together. Why?
Wouldn't the little spool be enough or am I missing something?
Just curious.
i didnt do that, i saw/see no point in it.
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the "orb of traction" style is how my Toy v6 diffs are welded. I assembled the spider ball in 1/2 of the diff and tacked it all up real good. No warpage, no shaft problems.
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Thanks for the assistance. Will post up pics. of the process on my buildup. All hail the "orb of traction". It just sounds funny.
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Thanks for the assistance. Will post up pics. of the process on my buildup. All hail the "orb of traction". It just sounds funny.
I claim coining the term back in 2003 when I made my first one (see attached) and had it on my webpage..
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dont just fill the valleys just blew that up this weekend. id sugest pony up the money for a mini spool.
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I think that "ORB" is going to be plenty strong. It looks like you added 10lbs. of material to that thing.
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dont just fill the valleys just blew that up this weekend. id sugest pony up the money for a mini spool.
Or just weld it up and make your own "mini spool"
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should i weld my Dana44 into a ball or just fill the valleys?

sorry for the Hijack
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