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Old 10-16-2001, 12:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post d60 high steer is done pics

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used avalanche arms with 1 inch spacers and there tie rod and drag link. the pitman arm is a yj 4 inch drop drilled to have a 3/4 inch hole
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Just make sure that pitman arm dont tangle with that spring at full left turn. Looks good. Are you planning on sticking with the double tie rod? Beefy! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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Old 10-16-2001, 12:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Can I ask a newbie type question? If the tie rod is that close to center, does it put more stress into turning it? I've wanted to do mine that way but like you said, I'm afraid that the drag link will enterfear with it...
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the stock tie rods coming off, but its raining and i done feel like getting even more wet. the pitman and springs work fine its actually the same pitman i used for my d44 high steer set up i ran before i put the d60 in.
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Old 10-16-2001, 01:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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<STRONG>Can I ask a newbie type question? If the tie rod is that close to center, does it put more stress into turning it? I've wanted to do mine that way but like you said, I'm afraid that the drag link will enterfear with it...</STRONG>
Yep like you said tie rod closer to the kingpins means more stress in the tierod and rod ends. If you make the distance between the rod end and the kingpin half of what it originally was you double the stress in the rod end.
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<STRONG>Yep like you said tie rod closer to the kingpins means more stress in the tierod and rod ends. If you make the distance between the rod end and the kingpin half of what it originally was you double the stress in the rod end.</STRONG>

And, you also double the amount of steering input needed to move the tires. Looks awfully short to me, but what do I know.
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it is shorter but not as bad as it looked in the photo, if i find i dont like the feel of it were it is i can move it thats the nice part about the avalanche arms
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Old 10-16-2001, 02:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I expect it to break the knuckle due to all the stress placed next to the pivot point.
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Old 10-16-2001, 02:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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like i said once i get it out on the trail i can test it, i think your all just jealous <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
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I'm just a stupid carpenter, but, I don't see how there is any more stress on the knuckle. I understand there is more stress on the joint, due to the reduced leverage, but to me, the knuckle is doing the same amount of work either way...please explain.
My hydro set-up is very close to the same geometry, and I did spit out a hiem joint at the badlands last week, but it was a worn cheapo, and I was pretty hard on the whole rig, so I blew it off.

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<STRONG>like i said once i get it out on the trail i can test it, i think your all just jealous <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Na I already have high steer <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
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Old 10-16-2001, 02:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Jealous????? Nope, my tie rod goes behind the knuckles and is WAY out of harms way.

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Jealous No pity yes.I understand that you are suposed to put the tierod at the same distance from the center of the kingpin/balljoint as the stock tierod location. That is the optimum steering leverage and if you move it towards the center of... then it takes less input but more torque to turn tighter. Move it away... and that takes less torque and more input or further movement at the pitman which can only be increased by a longer pitman arm, which takes more torque to move. The auto manufacturers spent alot of time and money developing a steering system for a reason, in this case its best to keep it as close to stock dimensions as possible.Am I right steering pros?????

By the way it looks nice and Id just move them out but you will work it out

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Where the tie rod is located has nothing to do with steering leverage (aka steering ratio). Steering ratio is affected by where the draglink is mounted on the steering arm and by the length of the pitman arm.

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I'd move the box forward so I could move the drag link and tierod farther away from the kingpin.
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everyone with suggestions get your own d60 and do it the way you want, mines staying the way it is
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<STRONG>everyone with suggestions get your own d60 and do it the way you want, mines staying the way it is</STRONG>
<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> So... if you aren't open to suggestions/criticism then why the hell did you post this? To brag? Nothing there to brag about. All I see is a missed opportunity for a badass steering system (ala Ant) with the tie-rod BEHIND the axle. I don't like the SRE's either, but like ya said it's yours so who cares what we think. Being an ass when you receive constructive criticism is no way to make friends, on or off the trail. Quit being a stubborn ass and open your eyes to the suggestions that have been offered. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

And yes you are putting a LOT more stress on that knuckle (moreso the driver's knuckle). Simple force balance. The closer the tie-rod to the king pin the higher the force required for a given torque. And where is that force reacted? The knuckle/joints. Like ya said though, you'll figure it out on the trail...

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at the dixe run a couple weeks ago, there was a guy with hydro assist that broke the top of his d-60 knuckle off. it got me thinking that i might just run dual tie rods like your pic shows with hydro assist on the lower one to prevent tearing the top of the knuckle off. the only concern is catching a lotta rocks..
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Hey elusive!
If the cylinder doesn't stop before or at the same point as the knuckle(s) stop it will tear stuff apart, no matter how many tie rods you run.

ps...was it You that fell off the mountian on trail #1 ? wtf ?
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Right on Eric.
He knows how to get to the point and bring it all into focus. It least when he does figure it out on the trail a 60 knuckle is an easy item to get from most anyone on the trail. NOT
Move the box ahead and fix it befor you a burden on you wheeling buddies and the people that have to get around you when it is broke in the middle of the trail.
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everyone with suggestions get your own d60 and do it the way you want, mines staying the way it is
Many people have already done what your doing and can help you do it right. I don't think anybody trying to piss you off, just help.

BTW, I got my own and did your way and didn't work very good. So I did it this way with Ant's arms. <IMG width=376 height=276 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/arms10.jpg">
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Also, I'm open to any faults you might see, I'd rather fix it in my garage.
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don't you hate it when there is alot of people who have been there and done that and give advice and someone says they are full of crap??? he hasn't even wheeled the thing yet and he already knows more than eveyone else. he should start a buisness <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">
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like i said i ran similar angles and dimentions on the d44 i had in it. it worked perfect was the best steering i had run. i also said i have to get this one out on the trail and test it and make changes if need be.
please forgive me for not being as smart as you west coasters we dont have the hardcore wheeling or knowledge and skills to be as good as all you guys. if someone wants i will buy you a plane ticket and you can come out here and build my rig for me. oh yeah if you didnt catch on this hole second paragraph is just me saying fuck you. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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damn nice jason!
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