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Old 06-07-2010, 10:56 AM   #101 (permalink)
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What do the Ram 4500s and 5500s use? Possibly the "elusive" 2.0" 11.5 with 10 lugs and 19.5" wheels?
Dana S110 rated at 12,000 pounds in 4500 and 13,500 pounds in 5500. They are massive axles (friend has an F450 with an S110) and suck for off roading unless you were running 46-48"+ tires


Stock 16 spline Rockwell shafts are 1.63" diameter.

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:09 AM   #102 (permalink)
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What do the Ram 4500s and 5500s use? Possibly the "elusive" 2.0" 11.5 with 10 lugs and 19.5" wheels?
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:32 PM   #103 (permalink)
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I'd really like to stay close to the 2" OEM shaft but alloy OEM shafts in a 14-bolt would still hold up to 44's IMO. That's something to consider ...
You could go with the 16 spline ouverson chromos in the 14 bolt carrier,
I believe Dave Green (Road kill buggy from TTC 09) is running the 16 spline ouverson shafts with a good running cummins, 5 spd & 53" + ag tires & je didn't have any problems.

I think the stock rockwell shafts are 1.625 diameter.
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You could go with the 16 spline ouverson chromos in the 14 bolt carrier,
I believe Dave Green (Road kill buggy from TTC 09) is running the 16 spline ouverson shafts with a good running cummins, 5 spd & 53" + ag tires & je didn't have any problems.

I think the stock rockwell shafts are 1.625 diameter.
I've heard 1.625 and 1.5625. I guess I can measure my spares tomorrow at the shop.

Really curios to hear how blacksheep put the rock shafts in the 14-bolt ...

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Old 06-07-2010, 04:47 PM   #105 (permalink)
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by all means, repost my PM, I'm not typing that again
there is a thread from like 07 or 08 on here where I get all butthurt about this axle, but the info is in there for the most part.
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How about I translate your PM instead.

blacksheep10 has built a hybrid rock/14 using rockwell knuckles on the 14-bolt housing. To get 8-lug he mated a bored 14-bolt spindle to the rockwell knuckle I assume via some sort of adapter plate in conjunction with a 14-bolt hub and a gheto-fabbed drive flange made out of a rockwell spider gear. Inside he ran rockwell axleshafts through the stock 14-bolt carrier which had a little machinework done to fit the shaft through and also to run rockwell spider gears. He then welded those gears to make a lincoln-locker / spool.

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I've heard 1.625 and 1.5625. I guess I can measure my spares tomorrow at the shop.

Really curios to hear how blacksheep put the rock shafts in the 14-bolt ...

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Its actually very easy. Just a very slight bore on the ID of the carrier ends. Then weld rockwell spiders into the existing spiders. They are almost the same size. Or just eliminate the use of the old spiders and x bar. Make sure you do a proper heat process on the welding, but I have done this a few times with no issues, and 7800# rig. Hope it helps.
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I know you can fit 1.71 40 spline shafts in a 14 bolt.

We need a pic of a aam 11.5 next to a 80 I wouldn't think it would be that much larger.
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Its actually very easy. Just a very slight bore on the ID of the carrier ends. Then weld rockwell spiders into the existing spiders. They are almost the same size. Or just eliminate the use of the old spiders and x bar. Make sure you do a proper heat process on the welding, but I have done this a few times with no issues, and 7800# rig. Hope it helps.
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Could you somehow fit a rockwell dretroit in a 14-bolt carrier? I know the dims are fairly close ...

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i know you can fit 1.71 40 spline shafts in a 14 bolt.

We need a pic of a aam 11.5 next to a 80 i wouldn't think it would be that much larger.
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Could you somehow fit a rockwell dretroit in a 14-bolt carrier? I know the dims are fairly close ...

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I'm honestly not sure. They are very very close, but have never put the two beside each other. I can find out. I know that the guts of my dana 80 are quite a bit bigger and thicher than those on our rockwells.

I believe that the 80 and the aam are almost the same in size, give or take. I know that my 80 makes a 14 bolt. Look small, but at the same time its a pig as far as weight. Its a matter of priorites, save a little weight, loose strength, or gain alittle weight and strength. My $.02
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So far the yj was more expensive to own, and the buggy has held up great to my driving style so far.

I couldn't imagine that I could do custom 9's and an LS cheaper than Rockwells and a big block. And for me the 39's would have to be sticky.

If I knew that it was possible, I would have gone in that direction.
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I'm honestly not sure. They are very very close, but have never put the two beside each other. I can find out. I know that the guts of my dana 80 are quite a bit bigger and thicher than those on our rockwells.

I believe that the 80 and the aam are almost the same in size, give or take. I know that my 80 makes a 14 bolt. Look small, but at the same time its a pig as far as weight. Its a matter of priorites, save a little weight, loose strength, or gain alittle weight and strength. My $.02
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AAM and 80 may be close. I haven't ever been close enough to an 80 to make an accurate comparison. My buddy has an 80 in the back of his Dodge though and visually from 10 feet behind the truck the AAM in my dodge looks bigger and hangs lower.

Either way, I'm really stoked about the 14-bolt. I've never seen a 14-bolt r&p break (I know spidr has) and even if I did do it that rare of an occurance would be acceptable to me.

You say you can find out ... how? Do you have both apart? If so, please take pics ...

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Old 06-07-2010, 05:44 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I have enough random pieces of a rockwell spider set to put it together and check. If an open carrier fits a detroit should. Randy might know as he makes mini spools for 14 bolts. As randy ouverson as he makes 14 bolt mini spools if my memory serves me correct. He might even make a custom 16 spline 14 bolt mini spool. As far as shear size, I agree, the aam looks bigger. I have never had one apart myself, so I couldn't say for the guts.

Personally, I agree with the 14 bolt as parts are cheap, and you gotta be gettin it in a major way to really mess up a ring and pinion.

Will try and get pics later in the week once I get back out to the shop
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My Dana 135 has 1.8" shafts, FWIW, 14" ring gear.
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I talked to Randy today and he can easily wire edm a 14-botl spool out to 41-spline 1.75" and machine a violator shaft down to that. So the rear axle is pretty much figured out. I want a detroit or arb front though. Prefer the detroit. That I'm still working on. But worst case scenario I could put a 40-spline arb in the front and machine down another set of violators.

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I talked to Randy today and he can easily wire edm a 14-botl spool out to 41-spline 1.75" and machine a violator shaft down to that. So the rear axle is pretty much figured out. I want a detroit or arb front though. Prefer the detroit. That I'm still working on. But worst case scenario I could put a 40-spline arb in the front and machine down another set of violators.

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there you go. That's what I've been dreaming of, but too broke to do.
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I talked to Randy today and he can easily wire edm a 14-botl spool out to 41-spline 1.75" and machine a violator shaft down to that. So the rear axle is pretty much figured out. I want a detroit or arb front though. Prefer the detroit. That I'm still working on. But worst case scenario I could put a 40-spline arb in the front and machine down another set of violators.

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Well that will do the job. Should be a couple of bad ass axles. Randy is the tits fo sho. Got his stuff in order. Take pics once this goes down, I wanna see it.
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I still need advice on how to make a 1.625 - 1.75 shaft fit in a 14-bolt detroit ...

I picked up a cheap 14-bolt today that I will experiment with when I have time.

These axles aren't something that are going to happen soon. I want to finish the buggy first and make sure I don't love it the way it is.

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I still need advice on how to make a 1.625 - 1.75 shaft fit in a 14-bolt detroit ...
Is there enough meat in the 14 bolt detroit side gear to EDM them to stock rockwell 16 spline?
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Is there enough meat in the 14 bolt detroit side gear to EDM them to stock rockwell 16 spline?
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Is there enough meat in the 14 bolt detroit side gear to EDM them to stock rockwell 16 spline?
Don't know. Never seen one in person and all of the pics on Randy's site are generic. Since the shafts are relatively close in size between a 14-bolt and a rockwell but the splines are much deeper on a rockwell I think probably not but that doesn't mean that there night not be enough meat to EDM out to 41-spline. Maybe someone can post a pic of one?

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Is there enough meat in the 14 bolt detroit side gear to EDM them to stock rockwell 16 spline?
This turned up on Google:



If that is truly a 14-bolt detroit I would say definitely NOT ...

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