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Pdaddy · 12-20-2002, 01:34 PM

I think its a waste of fawkin money, but Im just poor and jealous!

Krylon.. · 12-20-2002, 01:45 PM

You doing anything to hopefully prevent this:

Was it the torque of the Northstar or something else that caused this?

camo · 12-20-2002, 01:48 PM

ya i didn't make mine from aluminum.

that was a bad idea from the start. funny part was i bs'ing with shannon on the lake bed the day before that happened. i predicted that pigs demise. just didn't think it would happen so soon.

Krylon.. · 12-20-2002, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by camo
ya i didn't make mine from aluminum.

that was a bad idea from the start. funny part was i bs'ing with shannon on the lake bed the day before that happened. i predicted that pigs demise. just didn't think it would happen so soon.

LOL..

So is that a custom Tera 60 then since its Alum? A little too far to save weight.

camo · 12-20-2002, 01:58 PM

ya it was a experiment that tera did.

ChrisPy · 12-20-2002, 02:05 PM

i notice the picture shows the crack goign right through the bolt hole drilled into the support structure for the skidplate. i didnt see that pig explode, but by lookign at the pictiure, it makes my wonder if the housing didnt flex, and split at that bolt hole, causing catastrophic failure, and a humorous picture.

ChrisPy · 12-20-2002, 02:06 PM

and camo, if you spend more time working on that 60 and less time answering stupid questions on this thread, you might be wheeling that axle before 2005!!

BJ On Roids · 12-20-2002, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tin Bender
Now that I've saved the 12k in axle cost that leaves me enuff $ to buy 80 more complete rear axles for spares

ROFLMFAO!!

TNToy · 12-20-2002, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by camo
But more importantaly i insisted on high pinions and i could not get a straight answer on when or if ever the rc 9' gear would be done and i was not going to use a 8.8 gear.

I did like the fact that i could have built a really cool fabricated 9" housing from cro-mo. but oh well

I was wondering about that. A buddy of mine just built a 40-spline 9-inch. Non-gun-drilled 40spline axles, Spool, 4:56, etc...

has about $1300 in it total. It's going under an 880Hp BBC powered tough truck. Them axles are HUMUNGOUS! People really don't get it until they see them in person. It's like someone made an axleshaft out of something about the size of a jeep rollbar.

I suppose that:
1. The ultra-low pinion
2. ARB, not spool = no 40 spline
3. It's a front axle. Easier to startwith an axle that's common as a front axle.

Pretty much sums up why not a 9-inch, eh?

camo · 12-20-2002, 06:08 PM

ya pretty much sums it up.

stainless steal dave · 12-20-2002, 08:56 PM

your axle is very impressive- a good example of what can be accomplished with good engineering,good maching,and a little bit of money

i think you are correct in assuming the new " weak link"will probably be your pinion stem. there might be another problem area with your axle- your inner 2 piece assembly. splined asseblies like that should be run in a oil bath if possible- running them dry will make the flanks of the splines wear much faster you might be able to eliminate that with a press fit between the inner and outer splines. also the reinforcing web between the "ears" on the yoke has the middle cut out of it to allow internal spline to be broached- this web is there to help keep the "ears" from flexing under severe loading.there are "markings" on the sides of your inner yokes for your 2 piece inner assemblies-are these reworked spicers cut off a o.e.m. axle or are they more 300m machined from bar stock? nice piece of work- next step is to test it on the trails. hopefully sandy is done making parts for you[IMG][img]camo.jpg[/img][/IMG]

camo · 12-20-2002, 09:02 PM

the inners will be a very tight press fit. more like heat up the yoke and hammer it on.

the inners are made from 300m bar stock and are alot more massive and beefy than a oem piece.

jason paule has already run a set of yokes in a comp. they survived just fine. actually they withstood a obstacle that broke other stock axles. no problem.

stainless steal dave · 12-20-2002, 10:23 PM

one more thing you might consider doing before you install your new axles- you already know about painting lines down them to allow you to check them for torsional overloading but it is also a good idea to mount them between centers in a lathe and record run-out with dial indicator at each end and on journal for inner axle oil seal. record these dimensions and save.next time you have it apart for repairs or maintenance check them and compare to original specs you might be surprised at what you find!

camo · 12-20-2002, 10:31 PM

uhhh thanks for the hot tip.

(been doin that for 15 years now on my race car

stainless steal dave · 12-20-2002, 11:25 PM

i was not trying to be a smart-ass i dont need the flip-off sign in your reply back to me if you have been doing all that tech work on your own pics of your shop at your home please . camo 60 nice work camo60 built by camo himself very impressive- and yes i have a machine shop and yes i build dana stuff- there are people on the board that know me and have seen some of the things i have built in my shop.

Booger Weldz · 12-20-2002, 11:34 PM

dont worry dave, thats the friendly flipoff

ive seen your shop, makes the machinists shop on the aircraft carrier i served aboard look, inadequate, and we could machine 22" haines stellite valve seats at sea for reactor coolant piping

JR · 12-20-2002, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stainless steal dave
i was not trying to be a smart-ass i dont need the flip-off sign

means he's joking with you. Learn the ropes, newbie!

stainless steal dave · 12-21-2002, 12:06 AM

j.r.-love your bronco liked the pic of your daughter next to it is she single?

booger weldz-now that you have a welder i can carry more beer and less rod

looking forward to going out with the gang this summer - saving my money for new toyota project.

Jeepskickass · 12-21-2002, 06:58 AM

Okay, I have a question for all the guys that keep asking why he didn't choose a 9 inch... Does anybody in RCAA run a 9? I'm sure there are a few, but not many. 60s far outnumber 9s in any series. The 60 has proven itself over the years to be the most beef for the buck. By starting with a proven-tough component, and pushing the engineering envelope, Camo has build something that SHOULD last a lifetime. But then again, he can break anything!

camo · 12-21-2002, 08:37 AM

newbies with attitude. cool

Booger Weldz · 12-21-2002, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stainless steal dave
j.r.-love your bronco liked the pic of your daughter next to it is she single?

booger weldz-now that you have a welder i can carry more beer and less rod looking forward to going out with the gang this summer - saving my money for new toyota project.

great, now SSdave is gonna be drunk too! im not leaving any soft serve on your seat for fear that ill wake up in the morning with my cage tig welded to someone elses

when you start the toy project let me and jon(408) know, well come over and help you turn wrenches! and bring cold beverages of course

were both going coiled/links in the rear this winter...

mrtwstr · 12-21-2002, 01:22 PM

Quote:

j.r.-love your bronco liked the pic of your daughter next to it is she single?

Holy shit, that's funny! JR, you gonna let him get away with that?

dgcooper · 12-21-2002, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeepskickass
Okay, I have a question for all the guys that keep asking why he didn't choose a 9 inch... Does anybody in RCAA run a 9? I'm sure there are a few, but not many. 60s far outnumber 9s in any series. The 60 has proven itself over the years to be the most beef for the buck. By starting with a proven-tough component, and pushing the engineering envelope, Camo has build something that SHOULD last a lifetime. But then again, he can break anything!

Carriers

in the 9's, Lots of $$$ to make them even 35 slpine.

stainless steal dave · 12-21-2002, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrtwstr

Holy shit, that's funny! JR, you gonna let him get away with that?

TOBY- I REALIZE THAT IS HIS WIFE JUST KIDDING AROUND WITH HIM- I HEAR J.R. IS A GREAT GUY NEVER MET HIM IN PERSON NO DISRESPECT INTENDED I FOLLOWED THE THREAD HE HAD POSTED ABOUT HIS BRONCO AND HOW HE MAKES HIS LIVING PLAYING THE FRENCH HORN. LOOKS LIKE I CHOSE THE WRONG LINE OF WORK!!!

TOBY- HAVE NOT TALKED TO YOU SINCE BARRET LAKE TRAIL RUN- I LOANED YOU ELEC. DRILL AND EASY OUT,DRILL BITS HOW HAVE YOU BEEN?

iRock · 12-21-2002, 02:57 PM

CAMO. did you ever look into portals or rockwells?

12-20-2002, 01:34 PM	#201 (permalink)
Pdaddy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8133 Location: Back in Kansas Posts: 5,390	I think its a waste of fawkin money, but Im just poor and jealous! __________________ LCQ / KOH 09 Co-Driver #62 Midwestwheeler / Hardline Custom

12-20-2002, 01:45 PM	#202 (permalink)
Krylon.. Rock God Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2042 Location: FL Posts: 2,472	You doing anything to hopefully prevent this: Was it the torque of the Northstar or something else that caused this? __________________ Mike

12-20-2002, 08:56 PM	#211 (permalink)
stainless steal dave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15043 Location: livermoreCA,USA Posts: 573	your axle is very impressive- a good example of what can be accomplished with good engineering,good maching,and a little bit of money i think you are correct in assuming the new " weak link"will probably be your pinion stem. there might be another problem area with your axle- your inner 2 piece assembly. splined asseblies like that should be run in a oil bath if possible- running them dry will make the flanks of the splines wear much faster you might be able to eliminate that with a press fit between the inner and outer splines. also the reinforcing web between the "ears" on the yoke has the middle cut out of it to allow internal spline to be broached- this web is there to help keep the "ears" from flexing under severe loading.there are "markings" on the sides of your inner yokes for your 2 piece inner assemblies-are these reworked spicers cut off a o.e.m. axle or are they more 300m machined from bar stock? nice piece of work- next step is to test it on the trails. hopefully sandy is done making parts for you[IMG][img]camo.jpg[/img][/IMG] __________________ rust is a four letter word!!!!! Last edited by stainless steal dave; 12-20-2002 at 09:10 PM.

12-20-2002, 10:23 PM	#213 (permalink)
stainless steal dave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15043 Location: livermoreCA,USA Posts: 573	one more thing you might consider doing before you install your new axles- you already know about painting lines down them to allow you to check them for torsional overloading but it is also a good idea to mount them between centers in a lathe and record run-out with dial indicator at each end and on journal for inner axle oil seal. record these dimensions and save.next time you have it apart for repairs or maintenance check them and compare to original specs you might be surprised at what you find! __________________ rust is a four letter word!!!!!

12-20-2002, 11:25 PM	#215 (permalink)
stainless steal dave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15043 Location: livermoreCA,USA Posts: 573	i was not trying to be a smart-ass i dont need the flip-off sign in your reply back to me if you have been doing all that tech work on your own pics of your shop at your home please . camo 60 nice work camo60 built by camo himself very impressive- and yes i have a machine shop and yes i build dana stuff- there are people on the board that know me and have seen some of the things i have built in my shop. __________________ rust is a four letter word!!!!!

12-20-2002, 01:48 PM	#203 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	ya i didn't make mine from aluminum. that was a bad idea from the start. funny part was i bs'ing with shannon on the lake bed the day before that happened. i predicted that pigs demise. just didn't think it would happen so soon.

12-20-2002, 01:58 PM	#205 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	ya it was a experiment that tera did.

12-20-2002, 02:05 PM	#206 (permalink)
ChrisPy Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 957 Location: 9215 Elevation, west of Denver Posts: 1,149	i notice the picture shows the crack goign right through the bolt hole drilled into the support structure for the skidplate. i didnt see that pig explode, but by lookign at the pictiure, it makes my wonder if the housing didnt flex, and split at that bolt hole, causing catastrophic failure, and a humorous picture.

12-20-2002, 02:06 PM	#207 (permalink)
ChrisPy Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 957 Location: 9215 Elevation, west of Denver Posts: 1,149	and camo, if you spend more time working on that 60 and less time answering stupid questions on this thread, you might be wheeling that axle before 2005!!

12-20-2002, 06:08 PM	#210 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	ya pretty much sums it up.

12-20-2002, 09:02 PM	#212 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	the inners will be a very tight press fit. more like heat up the yoke and hammer it on. the inners are made from 300m bar stock and are alot more massive and beefy than a oem piece. jason paule has already run a set of yokes in a comp. they survived just fine. actually they withstood a obstacle that broke other stock axles. no problem.

12-20-2002, 10:31 PM	#214 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	uhhh thanks for the hot tip. (been doin that for 15 years now on my race car

12-20-2002, 11:34 PM	#216 (permalink)
Booger Weldz DuCaTi MoNsTeR Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2931 Location: oakdale, ca Posts: 12,598	dont worry dave, thats the friendly flipoff ive seen your shop, makes the machinists shop on the aircraft carrier i served aboard look, inadequate, and we could machine 22" haines stellite valve seats at sea for reactor coolant piping __________________ Amongst the best of the toyota vendors: *Www.4wheelunderground.com* *Www.addictedoffroad.com* *Www.hellfire-fabworks.com*

12-21-2002, 12:06 AM	#218 (permalink)
stainless steal dave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15043 Location: livermoreCA,USA Posts: 573	j.r.-love your bronco liked the pic of your daughter next to it is she single? booger weldz-now that you have a welder i can carry more beer and less rod looking forward to going out with the gang this summer - saving my money for new toyota project. __________________ rust is a four letter word!!!!!

12-21-2002, 06:58 AM	#219 (permalink)
Jeepskickass Tin Bender Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 294 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 3,068	Okay, I have a question for all the guys that keep asking why he didn't choose a 9 inch... Does anybody in RCAA run a 9? I'm sure there are a few, but not many. 60s far outnumber 9s in any series. The 60 has proven itself over the years to be the most beef for the buck. By starting with a proven-tough component, and pushing the engineering envelope, Camo has build something that SHOULD last a lifetime. But then again, he can break anything! __________________ Mike inthePINKracing would like to thank it's sponsors! Marlin Crawler Griffin Yukon Gear BFGoodrich Artec Industries FOA Hendrix Motorsports Poly Performance RuffStuff Last edited by Jeepskickass; 12-21-2002 at 07:00 AM.

12-21-2002, 08:37 AM	#220 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,084 Blog Entries: 1	newbies with attitude. cool

12-21-2002, 02:57 PM	#225 (permalink)
iRock Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15761 Location: FLA Posts: 74	CAMO. did you ever look into portals or rockwells? __________________ F-150 14 Bolt FF/Dana60 locked BBF 473",np205,44 boggers etc. 01" gsx-r 1

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