So what is gonna happen with the Neighborhood Watch shooting?

[gipper]

Originally Posted by Sue

I agree with Steph ,getting out of your car is a whole new level. And if he had waited, they all would have gone home because the kid had done nothing wrong.

However, I think trayvon got spooked and decided to be a tough guy. He too could have diffused the situation. I think zimmerman did shoot him in self defense. At the end of the day, it was just a bad set of circumstances and the media made it a mess.

So why did he go toward Zimmerman instead of into his house if spooked?


This pc bs is stupid. You guys are trying so hard not to lay blame on Martin when the whole situation was his fault start to finish. He made his choices and lived his life, and in the process of his train wreck, hurt a lot of innocent people including Zimmerman and his family. It may not be pc, but the truth often isn't.

[ChevyGal]

Originally Posted by Sue

I agree with Steph ,getting out of your car is a whole new level. And if he had waited, they all would have gone home because the kid had done nothing wrong.

However, I think trayvon got spooked and decided to be a tough guy. He too could have diffused the situation. I think zimmerman did shoot him in self defense. At the end of the day, it was just a bad set of circumstances and the media made it a mess.

I give up on this thread as nobody here other you seems to get it. Thank you for that.

[frostytj]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

Catch them in the act and deal with it then and there.

How are you supposed to do that if you cant follow them?

[TJGreg5]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

How does one have this happen? By getting out the car after being told to stay inside and wait for the police.

By all accounts Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle after he responded 'OK' to the dispatcher who informed him that they did not need him to pursue Martin. He stated that he exited the vehicle to get a better description of the subject and find a house number to provide a location to the dispatcher.

[BoneCrusher]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

If you do that, there's a most excellent chance you will end up in a physical confrontation because the person isn't going to like you doing what you are. Not going to lie, if I was approached by someone I would not be nice to them and probably become extremely defensive. I think most of would be the same way too. It's natural to be pissed off when someone comes up to you out of nowhere and pulls the uh "I'm here to check on things" card. Like who the crap are you to come up to me and accuse me of anything?

So while you might not be the one to start the physical confrontation, you will now have make a choice, do I want to end up in one? Or do you say I am staying back and let someone else handle it because I am not really equipped to deal with this sort of thing? If you pursue you have to accept things might turn ugly quickly and may not work out well for you. There are choices to be made. While you might be able to do something, should you really do it is a better question?

If your in my neighborhood and your "concealing" yourself and acting weird or out of sorts. You better be damned well ready for me to come ask you what your doing.

Ive done it several times and will continue to do it.

99.9999% of the time its some silly teenager out after curfew trying not to get caught by their parents or the rest of the parents who would snitch on them.

every so often its a daylabor type who was in the neighborhood earlier in the week to build a house and saw something he wanted.

once in a blue moon its a pedophile van and some guy is getting his ass beat.

So by your definition every single time i confront someone who I think is doing wrong, I am in the wrong?

[TJGreg5]

Originally Posted by frostytj

How are you supposed to do that if you cant follow them?

Don't try to bring logic into this thread. It's crazy that someone could ever prevent a crime from happening...especially in a neighborhood where there were previous robberies AND a shooting.

[whitefish]

Originally Posted by TJGreg5

1) Martin was bigger than Zimmerman.

2) Autopsy shows Martin was shot from 1-18" away.

3) Zimmerman was recommended to carry a gun by Police; he attended a formal course with the weapon.

4) Do your homework.

Actually according to all records I've seen it was animal control who suggested he acquire a firearm due to a bad roaming pit bull in the area.

Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4

[...]Zimmerman was following Martin around trying to get him to go away from the area.Martin got pissed and confronted Zimmerman face to face.[...]

The narrative of Zimmerman following him around doesn't work given that there are minutes of non-emergency-line call with Zimmerman after he stops following Martin and loses sight of him. From the neighborhood it occurred in, even at a brisk walking pace Martin could easily have made it to his father's house if he was concerned.

Regardless, so far all the available evidence corroborates perfectly Zimmerman's timeline. Even if we did go by your wild narrative, Martin still began a violent confrontation and died as a direct result of his own choices.

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

[...]
I simply just can't figure out why Zimmerman couldn't listen to the police and stayed back?

He was "observing and reporting". Also, all current evidence (including the phone call with the operator) suggest that he DID stop after the operator's comment about it not being necessary.

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

[...]
but if Zimmerman had stayed the heck back, things wouldn't have happened how they did.

...and if she wasn't wearing that cute skirt she wouldn't've been raped. Blaming the victim is wrong. Equally "butterfly effect".

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

[...]
He should have just left the little punk be dealt with by the authorities. [...]

The crime and burglary reports specifically in this area are proof that the authorities can not deal with things efficiently. They're also minutes away. Also, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Lastly, the police have no duty to protect.

[Sue]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

I give up on this thread as nobody here other you seems to get it. Thank you for that.

[Evilwhitey]

Originally Posted by gipper

So why did he go toward Zimmerman instead of into his house if spooked?


This pc bs is stupid. You guys are trying so hard not to lay blame on Martin when the whole situation was his fault start to finish. He made his choices and lived his life, and in the process of his train wreck, hurt a lot of innocent people including Zimmerman and his family. It may not be pc, but the truth often isn't.

Agreed completely. Martin thought like, looked like, acted and ultimately died as a ghetto thug. This death should be celebrated, Zimmerman saved the state hundreds of thousands of dollars that Martin would have cost the state throughout his lifetime. It's too bad that the media and Dear Leader have pushed for this case to even be heard in court.

The only thing tragic about this case is the pain and suffering Zimmerman and his family will endure because of MARTIN'S decisions.

[thumping]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

How does one have this happen? By getting out the car after being told to stay inside and wait for the police.

Please give of some proof he was told NOT to get out of his "truck". He was told he didn't need to follow him and he COMPLIED and was retuning to his truck when he was attacked.

[BoneCrusher]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

I give up on this thread as nobody here other you seems to get it. Thank you for that.

I get it.

You FEEL that Zimmerman acted as a vigalante out for confrontation and justice for past wrongs to his community.

Thats not what happened though. Zimmerman in good faith decided to help out his neighborhood and try to prevent a possible crime.

Police DO NOT and CANNOT PREVENT crime. They can only punish those responsible.

[rustywagoneersdotcom]

Originally Posted by thumping

Please give of some proof he was told NOT to get out of his "truck". He was told he didn't need to follow him and he COMPLIED and was retuning to his truck when he was attacked.

You're just a meanie poopyhead. The girls agree you are wrong and the facts don't matter. They have left this thread because you won't ignore the facts and agree with them.

[thumping]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

I give up on this thread as nobody here other you seems to get it. Thank you for that.

Oh, so everyone is wrong but you? Oh, we get it.

[chops24]

[QUOTE=Evilwhitey;14376821]

Originally Posted by gipper

Agreed completely. Martin thought like, looked like, acted and ultimately died as a ghetto thug. This death should be celebrated, Zimmerman saved the state hundreds of thousands of dollars that Martin would have cost the state throughout his lifetime. It's too bad that the media and Dear Leader have pushed for this case to even be heard in court.

The only thing tragic about this case is the pain and suffering Zimmerman and his family will endure because of
MARTIN'S decisions.

I gotta agree with you on this one. Thought it was funny how your screen name collaborates with your response too

[thumping]

Originally Posted by rustywagoneersdotcom

You're just a meanie poopyhead. The girls agree you are wrong and the facts don't matter. They have left this thread because you won't ignore the facts and agree with them.

Should I go stand in the corner...

[79broncn]

Originally Posted by rustywagoneersdotcom

You're just a meanie poopyhead. The girls agree you are wrong and the facts don't matter. They have left this thread because you won't ignore the facts and agree with them.

I would also conclude they likely have never been involved in a
neighborhood watch program.

But that's OK. Not everyone is able to commit to such an endeavor.

Much easier to let others take care of it, them form opinions about the
situation later.

[animator]

I find it hard to believe this article was posted on a major news outlet. Granted, it's an opinion article, but it was posted nonetheless...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...d-media-didnt/

The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.

First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.

The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.

The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.

Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.

Simple words do not justify hitting someone.

Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.

When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.

The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.

With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.

A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.

The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.

News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.

Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.

A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them.

The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.

Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as “This is for Trayvon.”

The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.

Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.

John R. Lott, Jr. is a FOXNews.com contributor. He is an economist and co-author of "Debacle: Obama's War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future."

[thumping]

Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4

Martin"s blood got on Zimmernan during the fight before the gun came out.And if not it was a close up shot as you say because Zimmerman got his ass kicked in a fair fight by a punk. Ever been in a fight? The word fuck is said often,like "get the fuck away from me you mother fucker"
Witnesses lie,they make mistakes and often change their stories during a trail.
You're up pinhead...

You must be some kind of a got damn genius. I'm surprised you are not called in on more investigations...

[leben_sie_gut]

Here's the skinny.

"I think he should have stayed in his car/not followed/etc"

Nobody gives a fuck what you THINK. He will not be tried by your opinion, or anyone else's opinions. He had the LEGAL RIGHT to do everything he did.

Personal opinion has no place in this. Facts.

[apeters89]

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

If you do that, there's a most excellent chance you will end up in a physical confrontation because the person isn't going to like you doing what you are. Not going to lie, if I was approached by someone I would not be nice to them and probably become extremely defensive. I think most of would be the same way too. It's natural to be pissed off when someone comes up to you out of nowhere and pulls the uh "I'm here to check on things" card. Like who the crap are you to come up to me and accuse me of anything?

So while you might not be the one to start the physical confrontation, you will now have make a choice, do I want to end up in one? Or do you say I am staying back and let someone else handle it because I am not really equipped to deal with this sort of thing? If you pursue you have to accept things might turn ugly quickly and may not work out well for you. There are choices to be made. While you might be able to do something, should you really do it is a better question?

All accounts point that Zimmerman was following, from a distance, simply to let the police know where the kid was at. He had called in suspicious people before (who iirc, had actually committed robberies before he saw them) and the police did not arrive in time.

Originally Posted by ChevyGal

How does one have this happen? By getting out the car after being told to stay inside and wait for the police.

He was out of his car LONG, MINUTES, before the dispatcher told him that "[they] did not need him to do that." He was NEVER instructed to stay in his car. He was NEVER instructed to not follow. When the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that," Zimmerman said "Ok" and went back towards his truck. The evidence shows this. Zimmerman did EVERYTHING you said he should have done. Martin attacked him anyway. Martin is dead. I see no problems here.

[gipper]

Originally Posted by Wheelr

I understand what you are saying but the disconnect for me is how far back was Zimmerman following? That is if he in fact did continue to follow Martin. Did Zimmerman actually approach Martin and make contact, or perhaps follow from one hundred yards back?

I'd be more freaked at someone following from 50 yards than someone driving up and saying "hey, I live here, what are you up to?"

[leben_sie_gut]

can anyone provide a link on the previous claim that the can of tea Martin was carrying was dented/covered in Zimm's blood/Martin's prints?

[thumping]

Originally Posted by Wheelr

I understand what you are saying but the disconnect for me is how far back was Zimmerman following? That is if he in fact did continue to follow Martin. Did Zimmerman actually approach Martin and make contact, or perhaps follow from one hundred yards back?

Lets stick to what we know instead of making shit up shall we. According to the 911 tape, Zimmerman had lost sight of Martin while on the phone with 911…meaning he had not approached nor made contact with Martin. The 911 operator told him they did not need him to follow him and Zimmerman was returning to his truck to meet the officers that were on the way.

Any other hypothesis you’d like to throw out there?

[thumping]

Originally Posted by leben_sie_gut

can anyone provide a link on the previous claim that the can of tea Martin was carrying was dented/covered in Zimm's blood/Martin's prints?

I heard about it on the radio yesterday. Haven't seen anything on it yet though.

[Panthers65]

Originally Posted by apeters89

Martin is dead. I see no problems here.

Ammo will be in short supply when the zombies come, every round spent before that is wasted, unless your training by shooting zombie targets...

That an, ya know, the private media forcing the prosecutors to arrest Zimmerman based completely off public opinion and not facts surrounding the incident. But the big one is that wasted 9mm round....