So what is gonna happen with the Neighborhood Watch shooting? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

CaryW · 03-21-2012, 06:49 AM

I havent kept up with it and have only heard from the victims side. What prompted the Watch guy to confront this kid?

I understand that he was unarmed?

Holder is reviewing it and the FBI is involved. I forsee bad things happening for the shooter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/20...est=latestnews

"He says, 'Oh he's right behind me, he's right behind me again,'" Crump says the girl told him. "She says run. He says I'm not going to run I'm just going to walk fast. She hears Trayvon say, 'Why are you following me?' Other voice says, 'What are you doing around here?'"

Bobzooki · 03-21-2012, 06:50 AM

Classic ass/fork/neck/curb scenario.

Get a rope!

rugger · 03-21-2012, 06:55 AM

I'm pretty sure that "Trayvon" can't testify that he didn't say "I'm going to kill you."

ironpig70 · 03-21-2012, 06:55 AM

Shooter is going to prison.

DRM · 03-21-2012, 06:56 AM

I am afraid the media frenzy is going to railroad the shooter straight to jail - and I'm still not sure all the facts are on the table.

I don't like how the news media keeps showing pictures of this 17 year old boy that look to be several years old, making him look as young and innocent as possible.

I don't like how they keep saying the guy is white, when he's Hispanic... but that doesn't fit into their racial model of pitting blacks against whites.

Why was the kid in a GATED community?
Why didn't he just stop and explain himself?
Why did he fight/wrestle with the guy if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

CaryW · 03-21-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rugger

I'm pretty sure that "Trayvon" can't testify that he didn't say "I'm going to kill you."

Still, lets say the shooter wasnt a Neighborhood Watch guy, just a concealed carry person who sees a kid leaving a store, follows him and confronts him then shoots him and claims self defense.

The NW status doesnt give him any legal status to approach or detain someone.

You or I couldnt do it.

Travis Waldher · 03-21-2012, 06:58 AM

Soo... where's the rest of the story?

CaryW · 03-21-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Waldher

Soo... where's the rest of the story?

Thatas what Im trying to find. There is very little info out there from the shooters and police side.

It could be Treyvon went all Gangsta Rapper or the man went all Barney Fife.

gipper · 03-21-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CaryW

I havent kept up with it and have only heard from the victims side. What prompted the Watch guy to confront this kid?

I understand that he was unarmed?

Holder is reviewing it and the FBI is involved. I forsee bad things happening for the shooter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/20...est=latestnews

"He says, 'Oh he's right behind me, he's right behind me again,'" Crump says the girl told him. "She says run. He says I'm not going to run I'm just going to walk fast. She hears Trayvon say, 'Why are you following me?' Other voice says, 'What are you doing around here?'"

Holder is involved?

Facts no longer matter, only hype and race. This guy might as well off himself.

gipper · 03-21-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CaryW

Thatas what Im trying to find. There is very little info out there from the shooters and police side.

It could be Treyvon went all Gangsta Rapper or the man went all Barney Fife.

usually, the truth is somewhere in between, but that's not longer relevant.

CaryW · 03-21-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gipper

Holder is involved?

Facts no longer matter, only hype and race. This guy might as well off himself.

Somebody representing the family met with him yesterday supposedly.

I agree, the guy is doomed, just wondering if it is justified or not.

thumping · 03-21-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM

I am afraid the media frenzy is going to railroad the shooter straight to jail - and I'm still not sure all the facts are on the table.

I don't like how the news media keeps showing pictures of this 17 year old boy that look to be several years old, making him look as young and innocent as possible.

I don't like how they keep saying the guy is white, when he's Hispanic... but that doesn't fit into their racial model of pitting blacks against whites.

Why was the kid in a GATED community?
Why didn't he just stop and explain himself?
Why did he fight/wrestle with the guy if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

I was wondering why they kept calling him white also. I guess a minority on minority wouldn't gather as much attention.

Anyway, why did the shooter follow him? All I've heard was he "thought" the guy looked to be up to no good. He called 911...he shouldn't have tried to play police officer.

-Jake- · 03-21-2012, 07:02 AM

good thing eric holder is envolved. not like he has an agenda or anything.

fj40john · 03-21-2012, 07:03 AM

Based solely on that article (and I agree with Travis...it seems incomplete), the shooter is screwed.

And why are FBI and the AG of the US involved in what appears to be a local level matter?

thumping · 03-21-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fj40john

Based solely on that article (and I agree with Travis...it seems incomplete), the shooter is screwed.

And considering he is being portrayed as white...he has no chance in hell.

CaryW · 03-21-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fj40john

Based solely on that article (and I agree with Travis...it seems incomplete), the shooter is screwed.

And why are FBI and the AG of the US involved in what appears to be a local level matter?

Because if Florida doesnt press charges there will be a Federal Hate Crime filed. Duh!

thumping · 03-21-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fj40john

Based solely on that article (and I agree with Travis...it seems incomplete), the shooter is screwed.

And why are FBI and the AG of the US involved in what appears to be a local level matter?

shot by a "white" person...that's all that matters.

JunkyTJ · 03-21-2012, 07:08 AM

When the frenzy first started, I am almost positive it was reported the shooter took a black eye in the incident.

That stood out to me because I thought about my own position. The drawback to CC is when a confrontation gets physical, you really only have one safe option and it's to kill the other guy. If the other guy gets the weapon, you are fucked for sure, too much of a risk. You aren't allowed to pull the weapon unless you feel threatened, so the attacker never knows the risk of what they may think is going to be a simple fight.

The black eye could show there was a defense aspect to this confrontation though.

Travis Waldher · 03-21-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM

I don't like how they keep saying the guy is white, when he's Hispanic... but that doesn't fit into their racial model of pitting blacks against whites.

Blacks and hispanics, at least in the low income situations I've been around HATE each other. To the point of fighting and drawing knives if one does something to the other perceived as wrong, such as one trying to sit next to the other on a bus.

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Originally Posted by DRM

Why was the kid in a GATED community?

Maybe he lived there, maybe the "gated community" really wasn't gated and he was walking through.

Why he was in there is kinda irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by DRM

Why didn't he just stop and explain himself?

He didn't have to, the dude doing neighborhood watch wasn't the police. He owes no explanation to the neighborhood watch guy. In the teens defense, how does he know the guy following him isn't looking to fawk him up?

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Originally Posted by DRM

Why did he fight/wrestle with the guy if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

Because the neighborhood watch dude started following him and then got close enough to start something? From the sounds of the article so far, it sounds like another neighborhood watch guy looking for trouble.

That's why I was wondering where the rest of the story was, we really only hear one side of it. For all we know he was prowling cars, but they make it sound like an evening stroll, was it really the latter?

JunkyTJ · 03-21-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thumping

I was wondering why they kept calling him white also. I guess a minority on minority wouldn't gather as much attention.

Anyway, why did the shooter follow him? All I've heard was he "thought" the guy looked to be up to no good. He called 911...he shouldn't have tried to play police officer.

He was on neighborhood watch... Ignoring strange out of place teenagers in the neighborhood running away from people and not answering questions would be counterproductive.

Travis Waldher · 03-21-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyTJ

The black eye could show there was a defense aspect to this confrontation though.

The defense aspect is out the window if the guy started the fight with the teen.

I'm not saying he did, I'm just saying that if he did, he can't start shit, start losing, pull gun, shoot someone and claim self defense.

JunkyTJ · 03-21-2012, 07:12 AM

Oh, and the kid was in the neighborhood because he had family that lived there and he was staying with them. He had been to the store to get some snacks and was heading back according to my memory of the interview.

thumping · 03-21-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyTJ

He was on neighborhood watch... Ignoring strange out of place teenagers in the neighborhood running away from people and not answering questions would be counterproductive.

Neighborhood watch does not equal neighborhood police. Again, he called 911 and reported it. The guy was leaving and he chose to follow him...that was his mistake.

When I took my CCW class it was stated many....many times...you are NOT the police.

JunkyTJ · 03-21-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyTJ

When the frenzy first started, I am almost positive it was reported the shooter took a black eye in the incident.

The black eye could show there was a defense aspect to this confrontation though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Waldher

The defense aspect is out the window if the guy started the fight with the teen.

I'm not saying he did, I'm just saying that if he did, he can't start shit, start losing, pull gun, shoot someone and claim self defense.

You have basically said the same thing and managed to sound like you are arguing with me. Great job.

gipper · 03-21-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thumping

Neighborhood watch does not equal neighborhood police. Again, he called 911 and reported it. The guy was leaving and he chose to follow him...that was his mistake.

When I took my CCW class it was stated many....many times...you are NOT the police.

No offense:

you know this is a fucked up society when people like you start saying that you don't have a right to police your own community.

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Bobzooki Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9419 Location: Gilpin County, Colorado Posts: 4,923 Blog Entries: 12	Classic ass/fork/neck/curb scenario. Get a rope! __________________ 2012 Tahoe 24' Fish-N-Fun Tritoon, w/115hp Merc Tow Rig: The Battlestar Galactica

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rugger Rock God Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67681 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,590	I'm pretty sure that "Trayvon" can't testify that he didn't say "I'm going to kill you." __________________ SB 327 Miata build thread

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DRM Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 8 Location: Spring Hill, TN Posts: 34,958 Blog Entries: 1	I am afraid the media frenzy is going to railroad the shooter straight to jail - and I'm still not sure all the facts are on the table. I don't like how the news media keeps showing pictures of this 17 year old boy that look to be several years old, making him look as young and innocent as possible. I don't like how they keep saying the guy is white, when he's Hispanic... but that doesn't fit into their racial model of pitting blacks against whites. Why was the kid in a GATED community? Why didn't he just stop and explain himself? Why did he fight/wrestle with the guy if he wasn't doing anything wrong? __________________ >David > 4x4Spot.com >It only hurts the first* time you agree with me...* >"A little nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest men."

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-Jake- Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Member # 140945 Location: In a van Posts: 2,891	good thing eric holder is envolved. not like he has an agenda or anything. __________________ malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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ironpig70 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 6957 Posts: 4,250	Shooter is going to prison.

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Travis Waldher Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4878 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 7,523	Soo... where's the rest of the story?

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fj40john I sell guns... Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14560 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 2,883	Based solely on that article (and I agree with Travis...it seems incomplete), the shooter is screwed. And why are FBI and the AG of the US involved in what appears to be a local level matter? __________________ John W. 07FFL/02SOT TXCHL Instructor john@flyingbrassarmory.com Facebook! If you are from the PBB, send me a message with your screen name so I know who you are. SEND LETTERS TO YOUR REPS TO PRESERVE YOUR 2A RIGHTS HERE! All things NFA explained here...

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JunkyTJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 64554 Posts: 167	When the frenzy first started, I am almost positive it was reported the shooter took a black eye in the incident. That stood out to me because I thought about my own position. The drawback to CC is when a confrontation gets physical, you really only have one safe option and it's to kill the other guy. If the other guy gets the weapon, you are fucked for sure, too much of a risk. You aren't allowed to pull the weapon unless you feel threatened, so the attacker never knows the risk of what they may think is going to be a simple fight. The black eye could show there was a defense aspect to this confrontation though. __________________ Tellico rally post 441

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JunkyTJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 64554 Posts: 167	Oh, and the kid was in the neighborhood because he had family that lived there and he was staying with them. He had been to the store to get some snacks and was heading back according to my memory of the interview. __________________ Tellico rally post 441

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