GSA official claims the 5th

[gipper]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

So $800k on Vegas is out but $1 trillion for another carrier is okay??

Or several trillion on another war

You can see where this is going.

You mean spending money on one of the enumerated responsibilities of the fed govnt v blowing my money on booze at vegas prices for govnt leeches?

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

First a solider is on "duty" 24/7 so yes they have a limited first. But guess what when I am at work I also have limited first. So its not a govt thing its a work thing. It just happens soliders do not get off work.

What about Marines, Airmen, and Sailors?

And as for your post, you do realize you are further proving my point, correct?

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

Take this case for example, you think bribery and extortion were authorized behavior?

And this is where the fun begins. The head of the office is bribed and tells me to do something and now I get in trouble for doing what I was told.

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

I could name a presidential canidate that made a huge deal out of this, but media and the general populace thought he was an idiot.

For most, these issues only matter when their side isn't in the Whitehouse.

For the limited vocal few that actually give a shit about this country, these have and always will be issues we want addressed.

All that, and the fact that waging war and national defense are responsibilities of the government spelled out in COTUS.

.gov bashes in Vegas are not.

Correct we can declare war but after 2 years the armies shall not get any money

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by gipper

You mean spending money on one of the enumerated responsibilities of the fed govnt v blowing my money on booze at vegas prices for govnt leeches?

It's still a waste

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

What about Marines, Airmen, and Sailors?

And as for your post, you do realize you are further proving my point, correct?

Yes I realize your point and was showing they are no differnt than I when at work. Unfortuanetly they are always at work


Marines, Airmen and Sailors are soliders

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

And this is where the fun begins. The head of the office is bribed and tells me to do something and now I get in trouble for doing what I was told.

Guess what?

If you were told to conduct a bribery exchange or transaction and you did....you broke the law and your ass belongs in jail.

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

Marines, Airmen and Sailors are soliders

Wrong.

[pike2350]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

And this is where the fun begins. The head of the office is bribed and tells me to do something and now I get in trouble for doing what I was told.

How are you getting in trouble for your boss taking a bribe? There is a difference that you seem to not be catching on to. The pleading the 5th is to protect YOURSELF from incriminating YOURSELF for something. If you are a lowly employee just following orders, chances are you aren't doing much if anything illegal.

Throwing a "retreat" isn't illegal. Setting things up in Vegas aren't illegal. You may waste money, and get in trouble, but it's not illegal. Take a bribe, or convince vendors to "hide" things to get free kickbacks, then you are doing things illegal, and not really following orders at that point are you?

[pike2350]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

Yes I realize your point and was showing they are no differnt than I when at work. Unfortuanetly they are always at work


Marines, Airmen and Sailors are soliders

except for when they are on leave...and they still have limited rights then.

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by pike2350

Throwing a "retreat" isn't illegal. Setting things up in Vegas aren't illegal. You may waste money, and get in trouble, but it's not illegal. Take a bribe, or convince vendors to "hide" things to get free kickbacks, then you are doing things illegal, and not really following orders at that point are you?

[piggy] but what if you were just doing what you were told? [/piggy]

[gipper]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

It's still a waste

The first month wasn't. But yeah, it sure is now.

But that's the difference. These junkets for a bunch of do nothing govnt lackeys was a waste from the jump.

[pike2350]

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

[piggy] but what if you were just doing what you were told? [/piggy]

I still prefer the:
[piggy] don't like it, don't work for the .gov [/piggy]

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by pike2350

except for when they are on leave...and they still have limited rights then.

Cause you are always on duty.

And again this is not just a public thing.

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

[piggy] but what if you were just doing what you were told? [/piggy]

Next time a Judge?cop/boss tells you to do something tell them to pound sand and tell me how it goes

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

Next time a Judge?cop/boss tells you to do something tell them to pound sand and tell me how it goes

I have before and if someone tells me to do something that is a direct conflict with the interests of the people I serve, then i'll do it again.

I think that's the difference between you and I. My morals, and dedication to this country is worth more than a job to me. I can't say the same for you.

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

I have before and if someone tells me to do something that is a direct conflict with the interests of the people I serve, then i'll do it again.

I think that's the difference between you and I. My morals, and dedication to this country is worth more than a job to me. I can't say the same for you.

And thats the issue here its not in conflict as this has been done time and time again. This is normal business.

You can say its waste and all that shit and yeah you are right but I'll bet dollars to donuts there is not 1 govt employee who doesn't waste in somebodys eyes.

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

And thats the issue here its not in conflict as this has been done time and time again. This is normal business.

You can say its waste and all that shit and yeah you are right but I'll bet dollars to donuts there is not 1 govt employee who doesn't waste in somebodys eyes.

Common fucking sense owns you.

[ironpig70]

Originally Posted by RedPurdueYJ

Common fucking sense owns you.

Really so now when my boss tells me to do something. Something I have done everyday I need to question if it is being done as cheap as possible and if it is being allowed by the people


This GSA thing is only big because its election time. Nobody in DC cares. Nobody in America would have known. And lets face it much worse is done each and every day. But lets villafy these folks.

[gipper]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

Really so now when my boss tells me to do something. Something I have done everyday I need to question if it is being done as cheap as possible and if it is being allowed by the people


This GSA thing is only big because its election time. Nobody in DC cares. Nobody in America would have known. And lets face it much worse is done each and every day. But lets villafy these folks.

Villify villians stealing my money? On tax day?


Duh?

[pike2350]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

Really so now when my boss tells me to do something. Something I have done everyday I need to question if it is being done as cheap as possible and if it is being allowed by the people


This GSA thing is only big because its election time. Nobody in DC cares. Nobody in America would have known. And lets face it much worse is done each and every day. But lets villafy these folks.

When there are bribes and kick backs...damn straight.

There needs to be a TON more of this done...audit every department and find the fraud/waste and go after any of those that participate, especially in fraud.

You might as well say "well this happens all the time, why worry about it" when it comes to the spending deficit. You have to start somewhere...sure this isn't even close to the tip of the hair frozen to the top of an iceberg...but you have to start somewhere...and this is as good as any place.

[Travis Waldher]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

I need to question if it is being done as cheap as possible and if it is being allowed by the people

Government or private entity - YES.

It's in that entity's best interest... unless of course that entity has become self serving.

[Bubba Ray Boudreaux]

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that "no person ... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." The right was created in reaction to the excesses of the Courts of Star Chamber and High Commission—British courts of equity that operated from 1487-1641. These courts utilized the inquisitorial method of truth-seeking as opposed to the prosecutorial, meaning that prosecutors did not bear the burden of proving a case, but that sufficient "proof" came from browbeating confessions out of the accused.

I'm pretty sure ole Joe Stalin would have loved your thought process on this one. This country was not founded on such horse shit ideals like your's. It does not matter what vocation a person chooses, they are entitled this same fundamental right as everyone in the private sector and to change that up would be downright disastrous; although I'm sure the union hacks would love it since it would make membership go through the roof.

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ray Boudreaux

I'm pretty sure ole Joe Stalin would have loved your thought process on this one. This country was not founded on such horse shit ideals like your's. It does not matter what vocation a person chooses, they are entitled this same fundamental right as everyone in the private sector and to change that up would be downright disastrous; although I'm sure the union hacks would love it since it would make membership go through the roof.

So restricting the 1st amendment rights of our service men and women is Stalinist?

You are grasping for straws. If you think your interests outweighs the public's interests when you are on the clock then you need to get out of the public sector.

[RedPurdueYJ]

Originally Posted by ironpig70

This GSA thing is only big because its election time. Nobody in DC cares. Nobody in America would have known. And lets face it much worse is done each and every day. But lets villafy these folks.

Or maybe it's big because people that have been bitching and moaning about wasteful spending finally found a cracked door, and now we are hoping we can fling that door wide open and expose all the skeletons in the governments closet. Republican, Democrat, or Independent, it doesn't fucking matter; we need to clean house and violators of public trust should be strung up from the Washington Monument.

[rockota]

Piggy has officially lost the "right" to bitch... Holy crap.

And BRB - I really don't think the 5th applies in this case - it's technically not a criminal proceeding.

[rockota]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ray Boudreaux

I'm pretty sure ole Joe Stalin would have loved your thought process on this one. This country was not founded on such horse shit ideals like your's. It does not matter what vocation a person chooses, they are entitled this same fundamental right as everyone in the private sector and to change that up would be downright disastrous; although I'm sure the union hacks would love it since it would make membership go through the roof.

your post is filled with irony.

1 - it's not stalinist to expect your elected officials and their appointees to be accountable. It's perhaps stalinist for them to be given free reign and protection from any accountability

2 - this country was not founded on the idea that the government and/or it's representatives were not accountable to the citizen. Just the opposite, in fact.

3 - government not having the right of remaining silent is not disasterous.