Goodbye America

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally Posted by Tigerchief

Oh, I'm sure there was some spectacular brilliance here before 3 years ago and beyond.

There sure was, it's just accelerated in the last 3 years.

[FrankZappa]

Pogo said many years ago "We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"

Infighting will destroy a country quicker than any other means.

[OHV Wildcat]

Originally Posted by 77bawls

What part of the constitution should we keep? Could we fix it with term limits? Could we fix it with spending limits? Cuts to entitlements? Where do we start?

Seems like the best way to accomplish the most good would be a deal where you lose your vote after X amount of time on the government tit. Get it back after working long enough to reset the clock. If your only constituents were taxpayers, you'd be incentivized to spend their money more wisely.



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[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by OHV Wildcat

Seems like the best way to accomplish the most good would be a deal where you lose your vote after X amount of time on the government tit. Get it back after working long enough to reset the clock. If your only constituents were taxpayers, you'd be incentivized to spend their money more wisely.



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Does that list include the workers in auto, oil, farm, solar and the bank industry who took tax dollars??

Welfare is comes in many forms.

[RedX]

Originally Posted by Landslide

The folks who are getting free stuff, don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff,
because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free
stuff and their own stuff.

The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

Thomas Jefferson said it best: "The democracy (Republic) will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

That's generally it, in a nutshell.

[jettscott]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Does that list include the workers in auto, oil, farm, solar and the bank industry who took tax dollars??

Welfare is comes in many forms.

Are you really that stupid?

Workers... Really?

[OHV Wildcat]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Does that list include the workers in auto, oil, farm, solar and the bank industry who took tax dollars??

Welfare is comes in many forms.

Same answer I would always give on this. Eliminate all deductions except actual businesd expenses. Reduce the tax rate to compensate for the enhanced "revenue". Then let every business sink or swim on its own. No government loans, nothing.

Then you'll have eliminated most corporate welfare.

I do get confused by all the supposed tax breaks that the oil companies get. There treated just like every other manufacturer, as far as I know.

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[OHV Wildcat]

Originally Posted by jettscott

Are you really that stupid?

Workers... Really?

I guess you're of the opinion that only executives benefit from corporate welfare? I thought he had a valid question.

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[Ernie McCracken]

PBB suicide watch when Obama is re-elected by a record margin.

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally Posted by Ernie McCracken

PBB suicide watch when Obama is re-elected by a record margin.

If Obama does get reelected I look for a number of people here have their heads explode.

[RedX]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ

If Obama does get reelected I look for the country to explode.

[jettscott]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Does that list include the workers in auto, oil, farm, solar and the bank industry who took tax dollars??

Welfare is comes in many forms.

Originally Posted by OHV Wildcat

Same answer I would always give on this. Eliminate all deductions except actual businesd expenses. Reduce the tax rate to compensate for the enhanced "revenue". Then let every business sink or swim on its own. No government loans, nothing.

Then you'll have eliminated most corporate welfare.

I do get confused by all the supposed tax breaks that the oil companies get. There treated just like every other manufacturer, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by OHV Wildcat

I guess you're of the opinion that only executives benefit from corporate welfare? I thought he had a valid question.

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You're saying that employees' checks are in whole, or partially, welfare checks?

[Jamtoy]

Originally Posted by Ernie McCracken

PBB suicide watch when Obama is re-elected by a record margin.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ

If Obama does get reelected I look for a number of people here have their heads explode.

Not at all. I am confident he will not be reelected (which I have covered many times) however if he is it will mean 4 years of stagnation and gridlock and the eventual accelerated recession.

Obama is a prime example of failed progressive think. Doesn't work, never has, never will.

What will be very entertaining is seeing his continued "eat the rich" divide and conquer strategy play out. What will the minions of leaches feeding on those that once payed for their existence do when they find out that there is no one left to eat but the liberal statist who made them subjects of the crown?

[OHV Wildcat]

Originally Posted by jettscott

You're saying that employees' checks are in whole, or partially, welfare checks?

Under the current system, with its rampant crony capitalism, and its all-too-common corporate welfare--yes. When a company is propped up partially by government support, then the employees are also partially relying on the government, and on their taxpaying neighbors.

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[Beat95YJ]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ

If Obama does get reelected I look for a number of people here have their heads explode.

With the Way, Romney and the Republicans are behaving, he's going to win in a landslide.

[jettscott]

Originally Posted by OHV Wildcat

Under the current system, with its rampant crony capitalism, and its all-too-common corporate welfare--yes. When a company is propped up partially by government support, then the employees are also partially relying on the government, and on their taxpaying neighbors.

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So an employee that's working for an employer that either recieves government subsidies, some form of tax break or anything of the sort, is the same as recieving welfare aid.

Gotcha.

Oh yeah, just one more thing. Are you willing to provide information on how many companies recieve some sort of gov't benefit? That way, we can see who is on welfare and who's not.

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by jettscott

You're saying that employees' checks are in whole, or partially, welfare checks?

Why would a worker vote for a man who vowed to cut off money supporting his job?

Even if it was the best thing for the country, he would vote to keep the money flowing and to make sure he had his job.

[fatdan460]

Originally Posted by s14sh3r

What we need is a benevolent Dictator. I vote Fatdan

i like the way this guy thinks.

[FrankZappa]

Originally Posted by jettscott

So an employee that's working for an employer that either recieves government subsidies, some form of tax break or anything of the sort, is the same as recieving welfare aid.

Gotcha.

Oh yeah, just one more thing. Are you willing to provide information on how many companies recieve some sort of gov't benefit? That way, we can see who is on welfare and who's not.

How many Solyndra workers still have a job?

[OHV Wildcat]

Originally Posted by jettscott

So an employee that's working for an employer that either recieves government subsidies, some form of tax break or anything of the sort, is the same as recieving welfare aid.

Gotcha.

Oh yeah, just one more thing. Are you willing to provide information on how many companies recieve some sort of gov't benefit? That way, we can see who is on welfare and who's not.

I know you think you really pinned me to the wall there, but I don't see anything in your post that argues why one type of government aid is different than another.

How about this-do you respect a postal worker more or less than a UPS worker? Personally, I always remember that a portion of the postal worker's wages came from federal money that was forcibly taken from me. UPS only gets the portion of my money that I voluntarily hand over.

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[Jamtoy]

Originally Posted by Beat95YJ

With the Way, Romney and the Republicans are behaving, he's going to win in a landslide.

How so?

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally Posted by Beat95YJ

With the Way, Romney and the Republicans are behaving, he's going to win in a landslide.

I have a horrible feeling you might be correct.

[fatdan460]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ

I have a horrible feeling you might be correct.

i thought you were an obama supporter?

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally Posted by fatdan460

i thought you were an obama supporter?

You've been listening to the idiots here way too much. I've said many, many times I don't like Obama, but that's ignored because I don't agree with every
lunatic attack that's spewed out against Obama, many of which are so "spun" as to be equivilent to outright lies.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Ernie McCracken

PBB suicide watch when Obama is re-elected by a record margin.

More like USA self destruction watch.